<div>Wambua. I meant the people who must obtain licenses and compliance certificates. That notice seems too broad. Who exactly are you targeting. The portion of the law you have quoted and the notice are quite different. </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, 30 May 2017 at 21:52 Nelson via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>If I am to go by the license fees stated in the attached document
... see my "prophesies" below <br>
<br>
Fast forward to 2020, a cartel of license holders controlling the
ICT market, People with no passion, skill or experience. In short,
you end up with an elite that has enough capital and connections
to ensure that the "law" is being followed.<br>
<br>
This licenses game will introduce an entry barrier that will keep
the young and talented out of the market or under the those who
have the licenses. <br>
<br>
Nelson <br>
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<div class="m_-1451863082766249470moz-cite-prefix">On 30-May-17 9:37 PM, Admin CampusCiti
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<div>I'm beyond words really on this issue...<br>
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On 30 May 2017, at 9:28 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>
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<div>Wambua,<br>
<br>
</div>
Are you guys serious?<br>
<br>
</div>
A "telecommunication" device is such things as phones,
computers etc<br>
<br>
</div>
Now, let's read that law with that in mind and I guess
there are 30M kenyans due for registration....<br>
<br>
</div>
You can't make this stuff up!<br>
<br>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 9:21 PM,
Wambua, Christopher via kictanet <span><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span>
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<div>I have already done so. Here we go:</div>
<div id="m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature"><br>
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<div id="m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature"><span>
<div id="m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature">KICA
Section</div>
<div id="m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature">24.
(1) No person shall— </div>
<div id="m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature">(a)
operate a telecommunication system; or </div>
<div id="m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature">(b)
provide any telecommunication services </div>
<div id="m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature">except
in accordance with a valid licence granted under
this Act.</div>
<div id="m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature"><br>
</div>
</span>
<div id="m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature">And
there are other clauses in KiCA that cover other
services such as broadcasting, postal/courier and
radio-communications services. </div>
<br>
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On 30 May 2017, at 21:17, Admin CampusCiti via
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<div>@Wambua</div>
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<div id="m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature">Please
can you quote the exact clause of the exact
law that the CA is talking about here? </div>
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</div>
<div id="m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature">Are
you guys talking about Telco service
providers, Software Developers, Hardware
Resellers etc? I'm confused. </div>
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</div>
<div id="m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature">And
how does a license guarantee quality of
service? </div>
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</div>
<div id="m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102AppleMailSignature">This
is simply rent seeking. And will not stand. </div>
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<div>Wambua,<br>
<br>
</div>
Please educate me on this one....<br>
<br>
</div>
When did this become the law?<br>
<br>
</div>
We have had similar debates here when
Parliament & later Min.ICT tried
to push through a very similar law and
to the best of my knowledge they
remained as proposals / draft laws.<br>
<br>
</div>
Regards<br>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 30,
2017 at 8:15 PM, Wambua, Christopher
via kictanet
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<div>Sidney</div>
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<div id="m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102m_-1437858079066369355AppleMailSignature">CA
is implementing the law that
requires service providers in
the ICT sector to obtain
licences from the Authority
before commencing operations. </div>
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<div id="m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102m_-1437858079066369355AppleMailSignature">I
did not imply in any way that
this was best way to enforce
contractual obligations. </div>
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<div id="m_-1451863082766249470m_3781691380418063102m_-1437858079066369355AppleMailSignature">Regards<br>
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On 30 May 2017, at 19:59,
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<div>Wambua,
<div>We've
been through this
argument the last
time. I'd like to
see the research
that backs up your
assertion that this
is the best way to
get recourse for
contractual
obligations. We have
courts and I'd like
to know why that
option is
inadequate <br>
<br>
<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Sent on
the move, kindly
excuse any typos.
<br>
<br>
Sidney </div>
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30 May 2017 19:47,
"Wambua,
Christopher" <<a href="mailto:Wambua@ca.go.ke" target="_blank">Wambua@ca.go.ke</a>>
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Sidney<br>
<br>
The rationale
for the public
notice is to
encourage
consumers to
seek ICT
services only
from licensed
service
providers. This
will guarantee
consumers of
recourse to
regulatory
intervention in
instances where
licensees fail
to meet their
contract
obligations. It
is also meant to
complement
ongoing
initiatives to
weed out
unlicensed
entities from
the ICT
market,and
therefore
protected our
licensees from
unfair
competition.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
<br>
Wambua<br>
<br>
The persons
running these
unlicensed
entities<br>
<br>
Sent from my
iPhone<br>
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> On 30 May
2017, at
19:21, Sidney
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kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Out of
nowhere... Can
someone from
the CA explain
why?<br>
><br>
> Sent on
the move,
kindly excuse
any typos.<br>
><br>
> Sidney<br>
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