<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Wash</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I wouldn't call them tax thieves.. LOL</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><b>Tax Evasion - The illegal non payment or underpayment of tax.</b></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><b><br></b></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><b>Tax Avoidance - The arrangement of one's financial affairs to minimize tax liability within the law (Just ask The Donald!) :-)</b></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">As for Mulika-ing your guess is as good as mine. :-) ALL and I mean ALL Corporates worth their salt (Kenyan, foreign etc) have tax consultants and lawyers on retainer to ensure their tax liabilities are minimized. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">This is not illegal. It is prudent management. The onus is on respective governments to seal such loopholes. The EU is asking Apple to pay $14.5 billion in taxes. Apple will fight this till Kingdom Come. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">And such is the cycle of life..</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Ooh..and Wash, I'm my own agent on this.. :-)</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><b>Principal</b></span></div><div><b style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Hussein & Associates</b></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">+254 0713 601113 </div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font></font></span><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span></p><font><br></font></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle</span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 23 Mar 2017, at 10:26 AM, Odhiambo Washington <<a href="mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com">odhiambo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Ali,<div><br></div><div>Please mulika the tax thieves first, else you just become their agent subconsciously - you mulika the foreign companies which then pay the tax, but does what they pay really help you? Why waste your energy when ultimately it will not be properly accounted for?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 March 2017 at 10:20, Ali Hussein via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Job & Ahmed</div><div id="m_4887949574615469167AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_4887949574615469167AppleMailSignature">I'm not disagreeing.. :-) </div><div id="m_4887949574615469167AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_4887949574615469167AppleMailSignature">Tax utilization and corruption are very important and we as a citizenry must 'Mulika' these issues. Every day!</div><div id="m_4887949574615469167AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_4887949574615469167AppleMailSignature">However, the issue of Transfer Pricing cannot be explained away by such arguments. They are unfortunately very unrelated. :-) </div><div id="m_4887949574615469167AppleMailSignature"><span class=""><br><div><span><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><span><b>Principal</b></span></div><div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Hussein & Associates</b></div></span><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium">+254 0713 601113 </div><span class=""><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><br></div><div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font></font></span><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.<wbr>com/in/alihkassim</a></span></p><font><br></font></div></span><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle</span></div><div><br></div><div><span><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 23 Mar 2017, at 9:17 AM, Job Muriuki <<a href="mailto:muriukin@gmail.com" target="_blank">muriukin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><img width="0" height="0" class="m_4887949574615469167mailtrack-img" src="https://mailtrack.io/trace/mail/db87e0dfb81d7867d5abb64fd53ba2a4ddda1a2c.png?u=1528720"><div class="gmail_default" style="color:#20124d">Ali,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:#20124d"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:#20124d">What should come first?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:#20124d">Increasing tax collection avenues or ensuring the already collected tax is not misappropriated as is the norm? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:#20124d"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:#20124d">Am also interested in knowing how much taxed these multinational tech companies pay in Kenya and how KRA</div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:#20124d">collects it considering the use of technology to increase collection is not their strong suit or are unwilling to fully</div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:#20124d">utilize it for obvious reasons. </div><br><br><div class="m_4887949574615469167mt-signature">
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif">Patrick</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif">You raise an interesting issue. However that should not divert us from the main point that Victor is making.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif">Are multi-nationals paying their fair share of taxes? </font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif">Here' an interesting story that is related to this. </font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2016/08/30/apple-found-to-have-received-illegal-tax-benefits-ordered-to-pay-14-5-billion-in-back-taxes/#579b55995754" target="_blank"><font face="georgia, serif">Apple's tax headaches</font></a></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif">This problem emanates from the Principle of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_pricing" target="_blank"> Transfer Pricing.</a> In a nutshell Transfer Price is the <b>price</b> at which divisions of a company transact with each other, such as the trade of supplies or labor between departments. <b>Transfer prices </b>are used when individual entities of a larger multi-entity firm are treated and measured as separately run entities. This is where it gets interesting:-</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif">So let's say Multi-National X has an operation in Kenya but all invoicing is done in say Ireland (sound familiar for those who deal with Multi-Nationals in the Tech Space?) but then the said Multi-National also invoices itself (ok, its 'subsidiary') for 'Management Fees' and other 'expenses'. The ultimate effect is that profits declared are at a minimum. And this practice is perfectly legal. :-)</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif">In Apple's case they even went ahead and negotiated a minimum tax of 3%!!! </font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif">We are all equal..Except others are more equal..</font></div><img src="http://t.sidekickopen16.com/e1t/o/5/f18dQhb0S7ks8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9gXrN7sKj6v4LNdFMd_KMKRbM7xW4Wzv6P2zlZNzW26tGP91k1H6H0?si=6190904865718272&pi=4bc73cd5-edef-4e21-97d5-ef9ca6509702" style="display:none!important" height="1" width="1"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_4887949574615469167m_-4739220076988178835gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><br></font></b></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Ali
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<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_4887949574615469167h5">On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Patrick Mathenge via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_4887949574615469167h5"><div dir="auto">That's quite interesting. However, and with all due respect,if anyone was genuine and honest, they would address and ensure that the taxes already paid are put into proper use in the first instance. Otherwise it's not in the interest of anyone to pay taxes that more often than not end up in a few people's pockets. Again I wouldn't speak am not speaking for Uber but that's just my very humble opinion, a tax paying Kenyan.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards,</div><div dir="auto">Patrick</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_4887949574615469167m_-4739220076988178835gmail-h5">On 23 Mar 2017 7:05 AM, "Victor Kapiyo via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_4887949574615469167m_-4739220076988178835gmail-h5"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11.9px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" dir="auto"><p style="margin:1.5rem 0px 0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:"pt serif","times new roman",times,serif;font-size:1rem;color:rgb(77,77,77)">Dear Listers,</p><p style="margin:1.5rem 0px 0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:"pt serif","times new roman",times,serif;font-size:1rem;color:rgb(77,77,77)"><span style="font-size:1rem">Parliament has questioned the small amount of tax paid by app-hailing taxi firm Uber, suggesting that the bulk of the profits is repatriated outside the country. The</span><span style="font-size:1rem"> Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) told MPs Tuesday that Uber had paid Sh30 million in taxes since 2014.</span><br></p></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><a href="http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/corporate/MPs-question-Uber-s-Sh30-million-tax-payment/539550-3858808-jc0mvaz/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.businessdailyafrica<wbr>.com/corporate/MPs-question-Ub<wbr>er-s-Sh30-million-tax-payment/<wbr>539550-3858808-jc0mvaz/index.h<wbr>tml</a><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Just how much do companies such as Uber, Google, Facebook, Twitter etc. make from Kenya, and how much do they remit in taxes locally?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div>
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