<div dir="ltr">The one debate that found closure immediately.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 March 2017 at 11:49, Ali Hussein via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Ebele </div><div id="m_-3460741654508386016AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-3460741654508386016AppleMailSignature">Exactly! The key point here is <b>as assessed, full stop. </b></div><div id="m_-3460741654508386016AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-3460741654508386016AppleMailSignature"><span class=""><div><span><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><span><b>Principal</b></span></div><div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Hussein & Associates</b></div></span><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium">+254 0713 601113 </div><span class=""><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><br></div><div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font></font></span><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.<wbr>com/in/alihkassim</a></span></p><font><br></font></div></span><span class=""><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle</span></div><div><br></div><div><span><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</span></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 23 Mar 2017, at 11:07 AM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div>This is a very interesting and timely discussion. I think it's important to clarify that it is not Facebook's position to withhold payment of taxes assessed, on the basis of subjective opinions of how validly assessed tax revenue is allocated. A company's
obligation is to pay taxes as assessed, full stop, and it's the right/duty of citizens to then hold their governments to account.</div>
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<div id="m_-3460741654508386016AppleMailSignature">It's also important to clarify that Facebook pays all taxes that are assessed.</div>
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<div id="m_-3460741654508386016AppleMailSignature">That said, it's clear that global tax regimes have not evolved to keep pace with the nature of business today, and that governments have an opportunity/responsibility to work together to create a globally consistent taxation regime
that doesn't stifle innovation, that doesn't choke progress/entrepreneurship/<wbr>investment in emerging markets, and which is fair.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif">Are multi-nationals paying their fair share of taxes? </font></div>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif">So let's say Multi-National X has an operation in Kenya but all invoicing is done in say Ireland (sound familiar for those who deal with Multi-Nationals in the Tech Space?) but then the said Multi-National
also invoices itself (ok, its 'subsidiary') for 'Management Fees' and other 'expenses'. The ultimate effect is that profits declared are at a minimum. And this practice is perfectly legal. :-)</font></div>
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