<div dir="auto">Exactly Ali, time is now. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 9, 2017 5:24 PM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div>An opportunity for the community to now insert itself and engage to enhance the bill?<br><br><div><span><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><span><b>Principal</b></span></div><div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Hussein & Associates</b></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><a href="tel:0713%20601113" value="+254713601113" target="_blank">+254 0713 601113</a> </div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><br></div><div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font></font></span><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.<wbr>com/in/alihkassim</a></span></p><font><br></font></div><div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle</span></div><div><br></div><div><span><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 9 Mar 2017, at 2:24 PM, kanini mutemi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Enlightening!<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">A quick reading of the now withdrawn Cyber Security and Protection Bill gave a sense that we're still looking at cyber crime with the same eyes that crafted the Penal Code. Simplistic. Retroactive. Without necessarily addressing the unique challenges these crimes present. Perhaps it's time that the government considers actual capacity building in this field (no not just benchmarking visits and one week courses). For them to regulate this area adequately, they must first understand it's ins and outs. <br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Douglas Gichuki <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dgichuki@strathmore.edu" target="_blank">dgichuki@strathmore.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Cybercrime,<div><br></div><div>As Kanini Mutemi rightly observes Kenya does not possess the substantive, procedural (legally) institutional and capacity tools to effectively deal with transnational online criminal activity. </div><div><br></div><div>Cyber-crime (in the substantive forms enumerated in the various bills doing rounds) presents a simple conundrum for law: a more global law or a less global internet? What does this mean in practice? First, that we need a regional instrumen- and then multilateral global instrument that harmonizes substantive offences (ensuring the principle of double criminality) and substantive criminal procedure (Arrest Warrants and Evidence Sharing).</div><div><br></div><div> This later bit is consequential because extra territorial executive action is a violation of international law (Lotus- France v Turkey). It is also crucial to have data frameworks that allow flexibility for law enforcement (imagine judicial hurdles imposed every time inter state data transfers are sought by law enforcement).Further, traditional methods of law enforcement cooperation in the form of Mutual Legal Assistance Treaties (MLATS) are too cumbersome opaque and resource needy to deal with the agile needs of volatile data. </div><div><br></div><div>This is fundamental because technologies such as cloud computing and block chain make a nonsense of the Westphalian model of territory and jurisdiction.</div><div><br></div><div>regards,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-1646255443384678859m_2101773063614417592gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><img src="http://www.strathmore.edu/en/images/emails/dgichuki.jpg"><br></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_-1646255443384678859h5">On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 11:43 AM, kanini mutemi via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_-1646255443384678859h5"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">This reactionary approach is quite ridiculous. I bet you the prosecutors will have a hard time even proving the crime. Some wouldn't even know what malware is. Now start explaining Salami to them. <br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">Well it's commendable CA seems to be doing something in this space <a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Communication-Authority-open-centre-to-combat-cyber-crime/1056-3405682-5hjk2pz/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.nation.co.ke/news/C<wbr>ommunication-Authority-open-ce<wbr>ntre-to-combat-cyber-crime/105<wbr>6-3405682-5hjk2pz/index.html</a><br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">However, why open a centre for the sole purpose of reporting and investigating claims? Proactivity would be a better approach. The irony is how the CIA has taken this 'precautionary approach' to the next level as seen with the wikileaks dump. <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_-1646255443384678859m_2101773063614417592h5">On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 7:26 AM, Mark Kipyegon via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_-1646255443384678859m_2101773063614417592h5">Even with the collusion claimed in the article, the failure of controls<br>
that should prevent unauthorised physical and remote access to systems<br>
is quite troubling.<br>
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> Today we get a glimpse of the magnitude of cyber crime in the country.<br>
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</span>> Kenya Revenue Authority, several blue-chip banks, a parastatal and a supermarket chain are some of the institutions penetrated by an international cybercrime syndicate that took off with hundreds of millions of shillings ? before they were all seized on Monday and Tuesday.<br>
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