<div dir="auto">Mwendwa,<div dir="auto">Well put.</div><div dir="auto">Robots will never consume what they make, humans will and with no work or money to purchase what will be the point? </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 Feb 2017 15:08, "Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Your point is very good Mark Elkins.<br>
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I think Bill Gates is trying to simulate such a debate ... on what is<br>
the role of humans in an automated, mechanized, and robotized society.<br>
Traditionally, human labour has been considered as a factor of<br>
production. If we declare millions of human labour redundant, and<br>
there are no security measure build around it, where will humans go?<br>
How will they earn their food, education, healthcare, and shelter?<br>
Taxation is such a measure that build social security net around<br>
humanity. So that the robots can produce, and the enterprises pay<br>
government for upkeep of it's people, instead of hoarding the end<br>
products of robots in vaults, and other forms of securities.<br>
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On 28 February 2017 at 15:46, Mark Elkins via kictanet<br>
<<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>> wrote:<br>
> I do agree though that if automation removed the jobs of existing people,<br>
> they should be somehow compensated - either moved to a new job internally or<br>
> re-trained or something positive. Usually with automation, the company can<br>
> be expanded (make more profit) - which should mean more human staff. That<br>
> would be the ethical thing to do. I don't see this as a tax though.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 28/02/2017 13:33, Mark Elkins via kictanet wrote:<br>
><br>
> This is probably the best reply so far!<br>
><br>
> Personally, a robot is a tool. This could be my coffee maker making a cup of<br>
> freshly ground coffee rather than a human taking the beans, grounding them<br>
> with stones, adding them to boiling water - etc... all by hand. Agh.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 28/02/2017 11:19, awatila--- via kictanet wrote:<br>
><br>
> I think in the discussion the original purpose of taxation is forgotten.<br>
><br>
> A human being pays tax to the government to cover the cost of the common<br>
> services provided by the government.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> What are this services that the robot will be consuming from the government<br>
> that they need to pay for?<br>
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> Regards,<br>
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> Alex<br>
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> Sent from Mail for Windows 10<br>
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> From: Mark Kipyegon via kictanet<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:06 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>
> Cc: Mark Kipyegon<br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why Bill Gates would tax robots<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> During the Industrial Revolution, critics of mechanisation would use similar<br>
> arguments. Advances in technology should be embraced.<br>
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> On 28 Feb 2017, at 10:25, "<a href="mailto:kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet-request@lists.<wbr>kictanet.or.ke</a>"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet-request@lists.<wbr>kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Message: 3<br>
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>> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 10:21:47 +0300<br>
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>> From: Job Muriuki <<a href="mailto:muriukin@gmail.com">muriukin@gmail.com</a>><br>
><br>
>> To: Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>><br>
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>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>><br>
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>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why Bill Gates would tax robots<br>
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>> Message-ID:<br>
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>> <<a href="mailto:CAJ%2BRKRbKRsadcYewDv-zEiAN0dpVKryxHye64aUc0FSB5toOkA@mail.gmail.com">CAJ+RKRbKRsadcYewDv-<wbr>zEiAN0dpVKryxHye64aUc0FSB5toOk<wbr>A@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
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>> Barrack,<br>
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>> Am in business and I know it's the bottom line that counts at the expense<br>
><br>
>> of people.<br>
><br>
>> Now we further what to fire the already strained employee replace them<br>
>> with<br>
><br>
>> a robot<br>
><br>
>> for a fatter bank account and cash you don't need.<br>
><br>
>> I believe Bill Gates been the billionaire he is has realised you can have<br>
><br>
>> all the cash<br>
><br>
>> and wealth you can get but it all without meaning what really matters is<br>
><br>
>> the humanity.<br>
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