<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>GB and listers</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">This simply is incredulous. We seem to have come to a point where we have a ministry which seems to be speaking a different language to the community and country it purposes to serve.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><b>Principal</b></span></div><div><b style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Hussein & Associates</b></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">+254 0713 601113 </div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font></font></span><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span></p><font><br></font></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle</span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 21 Feb 2017, at 12:51 AM, Grace B via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Listers, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We may need to ask ourselves what public participation means. I remember we had a long debate here in December 2016 about this regulation of the profession through the backdoor. Many listers raised valid points about the issue. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Why then would the Ministry through ICTA proceed to implement the problematic directive anyway? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">At a policy level there is even more confusion. The government states that it wants to get more youth to enjoy the benefits of government tendering. The same government acknowledges that the youth are significant players in ICT services/goods. Then the same government goes ahead to give a policy that will lead to more hurdles for ordinary youth and their eventual exclusion in tendering for ICT services. What is! </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">At the risk of repetition, here is a link to Kwame Owino's <a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/kwame/2274474-3463774-nfi96n/">article </a>on policy corruption. He argues that some policies are designed to favour certain elite people and this ICTA directive (as read with our <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/2016-December/thread.html">discussions </a>in December 2016) seems to be just that. One can even argue that this policy excludes ICT procurement from the AGPO policy and the ease of doing business in Kenya aspirations. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I will not even get into the issue of basis. How does a government entity wake up and decide to start a licencing regime? Does anyone understand what legal provision they are anchoring this on? I hope that ICTA or the Ministry can favour us with an explanation. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Regards, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-02-20 22:42 GMT+03:00 Anderson Levi via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">If I may I think what Wash, is saying is that many on this list may not be aware of what is being implemented a.k.a. the noise of other issues is obscuring it.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On 20 Feb 2017 21:31, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">Hi Wash,<br>
<br>
This is a different issue. It has to do with standardization of IT<br>
processes using ISO Standards that are domesticated at Kenya Bureau of<br>
Standards like the ISO 27000 series that focus on IT Security and<br>
Governance. ICTA and KEBS have been engaging on how this can be<br>
achieved for the past year.<br>
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Regards<br>
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On 2/20/17, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet<br>
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> Hello Listers,<br>
><br>
> Sorry to interfere with the debate on CA spying on us. There is a short<br>
> break as Okiya Omtatah fights for and maintains our freedoms...<br>
><br>
> Please read the attachment and let me know what you think...<br>
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> It looks like the ICTA/MoICT are implementing something ...<br>
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> Nairobi,KE<br>
> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223<br>
> "Oh, the cruft."<br>
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