<div dir="auto">Hi Wangari, <div dir="auto">Yup, we don't trust the government as much as we do private companies. A company has a strong profit motive, and right now that motive aligns, mostly, with user privacy. When they don't we have freaked out, remember FB... </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Governments on the other hand have only two motives; staying in power and controlling their citizens and a lot of times those motives don't align with privacy</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 18 Feb 2017 06:48, "WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:garamond,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70056"><span id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70199">Warm greetings!</span></div><div id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70056"><span><br></span></div><div id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70056"><span id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70255">I try to reconcile this "love-hate relationship with Government".</span></div><div id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70056"><span><br></span></div><div id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70056"><span id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70195">Private companies that are not even Kenyan for our esteemed national laws to apply to them who are providers of solutions used by the public have all this personal information. They may choose to transpose it into data. Use it for data analytics and profit from it, with occasional leakage. </span></div><div id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70056"><span id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70695">Yet the hue and cry and backlash e.g data privacy demands etc is not evidenced as much. Would this mean that they are trusted more, are our friends more or cannot be reached at?</span></div><div id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70056"><span><br></span></div><div id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70056"><span id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_71359">Considering the widespread and increased usage of technology/tools, it warrants how to enhance trusted relations with Governments. Because Governments will always perform their function - so how does it look like in the tech age?</span></div><div id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70056"><span><br></span></div><div id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70056">Blessed day.</div><div id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70056"><br></div><div id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70056">Regards/Wangari</div><div></div><div id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70180"> </div><div class="m_-5725622780376429582signature" id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70128">---<br><font style="font-weight:bold;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif" size="2" id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70131"><span style="color:rgb(127,0,63)" id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70178">Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - </span><span style="color:rgb(127,0,63)" id="m_-5725622780376429582yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487323030904_70130">"Being of the Light, We are Restored Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on Earth".</span></font><br></div> <div class="m_-5725622780376429582qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="m_-5725622780376429582yahoo_quoted" style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:garamond,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, 17 February 2017, 11:07, Rapudo Hawi via isoc <<a href="mailto:isoc@lists.my.co.ke" target="_blank">isoc@lists.my.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="m_-5725622780376429582y_msg_container"><div id="m_-5725622780376429582yiv7862068849"><div><div dir="ltr">Listers,<div><br clear="none"></div><div>It is important to take note that this action has been done for length of time with passage of Terrorism Act among other policy initiatives. 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The discussions is how we contain this is founded on the freedoms, rights and liberties for Kenya enshrined within the constitution of Kenya 2010. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>The question that sets out is the public privacy protected and how can be enhanced without being exposed to the threats of cyber security </div></div><div class="m_-5725622780376429582yiv7862068849gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-5725622780376429582yiv7862068849gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">Rapudo Hawi, Social Development Practitioner, </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">Certified Security Specialist and Design Innovation Expert<br clear="none"><b><br clear="none"></b></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"><b>Telephone:</b> +254 720975498</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"><b>Twitter:</b> rapudohawi</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><font color="#444444"><b>Sykpe:</b> rapudo.hawi </font></div><div><font color="#444444"><br clear="none"></font></div><div><font color="#444444"><b>Linkedin: </b><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/hawirapudoblog" target="_blank">www.linkedin.com/in/<wbr>hawirapudoblog</a></font></div><div><font color="#444444"><br clear="none"></font></div><div><font color="#444444"><br clear="none"></font></div><div><font color="#444444"><br clear="none"></font><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br clear="none"><div class="m_-5725622780376429582yiv7862068849gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Wambua, Christopher via isoc <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:isoc@lists.my.co.ke" target="_blank">isoc@lists.my.co.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="m_-5725622780376429582yiv7862068849gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>There is no dishonesty here Ali. This is a case of blatant misrepresentation which we shall be addressing shortly. As I indicated earlier through this list, the DMS is not intrusive and therefore does not infringe on the privacy of mobile telecommunications
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, February 17, 2017 at 9:49 AM<br clear="none">
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Christoper Wambua <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:wambua@ca.go.ke" target="_blank">wambua@ca.go.ke</a>><br clear="none">
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [kictanet] [isoc_ke] Govt to start phone tapping in war on counterfeit trade - Daily Nation<br clear="none">
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<div>What actually shocks me is the dishonesty of all this. We had engaged CA a few weeks ago and the denials were clear...</div>
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<div class="m_-5725622780376429582yiv7862068849gmail_quote">On 16 Feb 2017 8:02 p.m., "Ali Hussein via isoc" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:isoc@lists.my.co.ke" target="_blank">isoc@lists.my.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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