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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Bonface Witaba via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Listers,<div id="m_-89162856266951467yMail_cursorElementTracker_1481382940931"><br><div id="m_-89162856266951467yMail_cursorElementTracker_1481382926630">For those interested in the latest edition of Diplo IG book, kindly follow the link: </div><div id="m_-89162856266951467yMail_cursorElementTracker_1481382999380"><a href="https://www.diplomacy.edu/sites/default/files/AnIntroductiontoIG_7th%20edition.pdf" style="word-break:break-word;font-family:sans-serif" id="m_-89162856266951467yMail_cursorElementTracker_1481383003608" target="_blank">https://www.diplomacy.edu/<wbr>sites/default/files/<wbr>AnIntroductiontoIG_7th%<wbr>20edition.pdf</a><br style="font-family:sans-serif"></div><div id="m_-89162856266951467yMail_cursorElementTracker_1481383014521"><br></div><div id="m_-89162856266951467yMail_cursorElementTracker_1481383006529">Kind regards</div><div id="m_-89162856266951467yMail_cursorElementTracker_1481383031649">Bonface Witaba</div><div id="m_-89162856266951467yMail_cursorElementTracker_1481383042224"><br></div><div id="m_-89162856266951467yMail_cursorElementTracker_1481382929024"><br><div id="m_-89162856266951467ymail_android_signature"><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android" target="_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></div> <br> <blockquote style="margin:0 0 20px 0"> <header style="font-family:Roboto,sans-serif;color:#6d00f6"> <div>On Sat, 10 Dec, 2016 at 13:14, <a href="mailto:kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet-request@lists.<wbr>kictanet.or.ke</a></div><div><<a href="mailto:kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet-request@lists.<wbr>kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:</div> </header> <div style="padding:10px 0 0 20px;margin:10px 0 0 0;border-left:1px solid #6d00f6"> <div id="m_-89162856266951467msgSandbox_AAhMyAoAABGvWEvVdAXMYFzt4T0_TEXT" class="m_-89162856266951467msgSandbox" style="padding:1.5em 0.5em 0.5em 1.2em;word-wrap:break-word">Send kictanet mailing list submissions to<br> <a>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a>kictanet-request@lists.<wbr>kictanet.or.ke</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a>kictanet-owner@lists.kictanet.<wbr>or.ke</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Update on the ICT Practitioners Bill - Get the Facts<br> Right (JImmy Gitonga)<br> 2. Re: Update on the ICT Practitioners Bill - Get the Facts<br> Right (JImmy Gitonga)<br><br><br>------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>----------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 13:04:03 +0300<br>From: JImmy Gitonga <<a>jimmygitts@gmail.com</a>><br>To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update on the ICT Practitioners Bill - Get the<br> Facts Right<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a>CACV-FdHR2bULDGY_4FJG-<wbr>SD2FsGkQ6V7FamjeL0MwmG6wxUukQ@<wbr>mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Mr. Kamotho wa Njenga,<br><br>Here are my concerns.<br><br>It is clear we all agree on that quacks should not be present in the<br>industry. The word 'quack' is largely used the medical fraternity for<br>people who look like doctors, act like doctors and talk like doctors. We<br>have had of a few of these cases in this country. And the medical field<br>does have the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Board. So we can<br>also agree that quacks are not done away with boards or bills that are set<br>up to make sure only certified practitioners were in the field. Quacks<br>appear do to a different problem.<br><br>then there is the matter of PART III - REGISTRATION OF ICT PRACTITIONERS in<br>the proposed bill.<br><br>15. A person shall be eligible for registration under this Act as an ICT<br>practitioner if the person -<br>...<br>(d) satisfies the Council that he or she is a person of good moral<br>character and a fit and proper person to be registered under this Act.<br><br><br><br><br>On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 7:25 AM, <<a>kictanet-request@lists.<wbr>kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>wrote:<br><br>> Send kictanet mailing list submissions to<br>> <a>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>><br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> <a>kictanet-request@lists.<wbr>kictanet.or.ke</a><br>><br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> <a>kictanet-owner@lists.kictanet.<wbr>or.ke</a><br>><br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..."<br>><br>><br>> Today's Topics:<br>><br>> 1. Re: Update on the ICT Practitioners Bill - Get the Facts<br>> Right (Ali Hussein)<br>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>----------<br>><br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 07:23:23 +0300<br>> From: Ali Hussein <<a>ali@hussein.me.ke</a>><br>> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>><br>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update on the ICT Practitioners Bill - Get the<br>> Facts Right<br>> Message-ID: <<a>8AEC01A2-6299-42D5-8E15-<wbr>001028BAD0EE@hussein.me.ke</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>><br>> Kamotho<br>><br>> Personal attacks will not deter me or others from saying it as it is:-<br>><br>> That the very idea of this bill is flawed - Democracy followed or not.<br>><br>> I would like to address your claims/comments one by one:-<br>><br>> 1. I didn't attend meetings hence I have given my 'representatives' a raw<br>> deal. Firstly I do not claim that I was anointed. When we first attended<br>> (Grace Bomu, Walubengo and Myself) the meeting at KEPSA to discuss this<br>> bill and it's implications we simply said we were Kictaneters and were<br>> there as such. Anyone else on this list was free to attend as this meeting<br>> was discussed on the list. I or Grace Bomu attended several meetings<br>> including the one which was chaired by John Omo at CCK and the<br>> Parliamentary Committee meeting where you also attended. Subsequently I<br>> contributed substantially to online discussions between the then 'Coalition<br>> of the willing' which comprised of KICTANet members, Bake, KEPSA, MOICT and<br>> iHub. The fact that I didn't attend some physical meetings doesn't at all<br>> negate my participation and contribution. However, that I do not need to<br>> justify to you. I'm merely putting forward my thoughts.<br>><br>> Who do you represent Kamotho? Since this issue of representation is a door<br>> you have opened. Who is ICTAK? A quick look at the website doesn't tell me<br>> much as to who are the bona fide members and officials of the Association,<br>> when were they elected/appointed, how long is their term and when is the<br>> next election or appointments? How about the management?<br>><br>> <a href="http://www.ictak.or.ke/" target="_blank">http://www.ictak.or.ke/</a><br>><br>> The reason I ask this is since you or ICTAK to be specific purport to<br>> represent the ICT Community in this country then proof of mandate is<br>> important don't you think?<br>><br>> A quick cursory search online to look at how such associations operate<br>> took me to this site:-<br>><br>> <a href="http://www.aiita.org/" target="_blank">http://www.aiita.org/ </a>of the All India IT Association. The information<br>> there in is instructive. From the Board of Directors to Management, this<br>> information is missing on the ICTAK site,<br>><br>> Or ISACA (<a href="https://www.isaca.org/" target="_blank">https://www.isaca.org/</a>) whose local chapter holds regular<br>> elections.<br>><br>> Or the U.K IT Association (<a href="http://members.ukita.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://members.ukita.co.uk/</a><br>> index.php?option=com_<wbr>acymailing&ctrl=archive&task=<wbr>view&mailid=48&key=<br>> d804decf5d06e74e2b30819cd84db9<wbr>e8&Itemid=66) which holds annual AGMs.<br>><br>> 2. On point 2 I begin by quoting you on your email:-<br>><br>> 'Deliberations proceeded in good faith. Needless to state, this Bill like<br>> any other is not a matter of life and death.'<br>><br>> My brother, for some of us IT IS a matter of life and death. Imagine<br>> waking up one morning and you have been legislated out of your profession<br>> or business because of an organization that purports to represent you and a<br>> government that is supposed to be a 'Digital Government' sitting by as a<br>> bystander and seemingly powerless to defend the very people they have been<br>> purporting to protect, defend and promote.<br>><br>> You like any other Kenyan has a right to promote any bill whatsoever. In<br>> the same breath, I and any other Kenyan has a right to oppose it if we feel<br>> it will curb our ability to earn a decent living and protect our families.<br>> Make no mistake about it this bill is a matter of life and death for some<br>> of us.<br>><br>> 3. Another quote from you to emphasize my point on my hardline stand.<br>><br>> 'Parliament would be within its mandate to pass the Bill intact, to amend<br>> it or to reject it altogether.'<br>><br>> So why then are we wasting time in deliberations? Why legitimize a process<br>> so that you guys can go back and say 'We consulted and hence this bill is a<br>> good place to start and has the blessings of the community.' I'm sure I'm<br>> speaking to the majority listers when I say this is unfair and flawed.<br>><br>> This country has a habit of using certain clauses of our new constitution<br>> to justify nefarious actions, we will simply not stand for it and be seen<br>> to be powerless or do anything about it. One that is used to devastating<br>> effect is this issue of public participation. WCIT12, Dubai, is still fresh<br>> in my mind where the previous ICT Ministry officials led by Dr. Ndemo was<br>> instrumental in engaging all stakeholders in crafting a Multi-Stakeholder<br>> Position on ITRs. This position was then changed by the new regime that<br>> replaced Dr. Ndemo. They did not even have the decency to inform the<br>> community. This impunity must stop. Government is supposed to represent the<br>> people and when this is abused it is a serious matter indeed. Some history<br>> here is important:-<br>><br>> <a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/2012-December/018900.html" target="_blank">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/<wbr>pipermail/kictanet/2012-<wbr>December/018900.html</a><br>><br>> And if I speak alone on this so be it because Tyranny is Tyranny whether<br>> it is executed by a minority or a majority.<br>><br>> 4. To quote you..again:-<br>><br>> My humble understanding is that KICTANet is a serious platform where<br>> listers are at liberty to exchange ideas that are supportive of ICT<br>> sectoral progress. To this end wisdom should flow unfettered. This imposes<br>> a responsibility to ensure that information supplied is factual, evidence<br>> based and not merely driven by a passion for online flamboyance. In the<br>> alternative, this forum could easily degenerate to mediocrity of<br>> proportions only comparable to that of third rate blogs. God forbid!<br>><br>> Indeed Ndugu Kamotho. The fact that we disagree and can express ourselves<br>> in the very list where the majority who have contributed to this discussion<br>> have opposed this bill is in itself a testament to the maturity that<br>> listers have demonstrated. If at any time I have come across as opinionated<br>> it is because sometimes I am. :-) It is a flaw that I work hard every day<br>> to tamper. I am after all human. :-) and I do apologize to anyone that I<br>> might have rubbed the wrong way. Including you my brother. I believe that<br>> we are mature enough to enjoy a mug of Malindi Macchiato (my favorite drink<br>> at Java) and are free to disagree over it? :-)<br>><br>> 5. Lastly the ICT CS, Government Spokesperson have been categorical<br>> publicly in rejecting this bill.<br>><br>> <a href="http://cio.co.ke/news/main-stories/government-of-kenya-" target="_blank">http://cio.co.ke/news/main-<wbr>stories/government-of-kenya-</a><br>> rejects-ict-practitioners-<wbr>bill#<br>><br>> Positions may have changed since then and it is the onus of this<br>> government to tell us if in fact their position has changed, what<br>> precipitated it and what is the new position.<br>><br>> Ali Hussein<br>> Principal<br>> Hussein & Associates<br>> +254 0713 601113<br>><br>> Twitter: @AliHKassim<br>> Skype: abu-jomo<br>> LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/<wbr>alihkassim</a><br>><br>><br>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking<br>> what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi<br>><br>> Sent from my iPad<br>><br>> ******************************<wbr>************<br>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/attachments/20161210/90a7866a/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/<wbr>pipermail/kictanet/<wbr>attachments/20161210/90a7866a/<wbr>attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 13:12:20 +0300<br>From: JImmy Gitonga <<a>jimmygitts@gmail.com</a>><br>To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update on the ICT Practitioners Bill - Get the<br> Facts Right<br>Message-ID:<br> <CACV-FdFyvT_<wbr>QKgkLfSiZDASmtWATAgNzs+ge-<wbr>XTkmrSPE5sk=<a>w@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Question: What mechanisms are going to be used to ascertain that a person<br>meets the requirements of 15(d)?<br><br>My question is based on the possibility is that the Council could decide to<br>arbitrarily choose any one to be a practitioner based on any criteria<br>chosen by the Council. We would be led to believe that the people sitting<br>in the council are of "good moral character and a fit and proper" to pass<br>fair judgement. In Kenya, what does that statement mean?<br><br><br>On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 1:04 PM, JImmy Gitonga <<a>jimmygitts@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Mr. Kamotho wa Njenga,<br>><br>> Here are my concerns.<br>><br>> It is clear we all agree on that quacks should not be present in the<br>> industry. The word 'quack' is largely used the medical fraternity for<br>> people who look like doctors, act like doctors and talk like doctors. We<br>> have had of a few of these cases in this country. And the medical field<br>> does have the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Board. So we can<br>> also agree that quacks are not done away with boards or bills that are set<br>> up to make sure only certified practitioners were in the field. Quacks<br>> appear do to a different problem.<br>><br>> then there is the matter of PART III - REGISTRATION OF ICT PRACTITIONERS<br>> in the proposed bill.<br>><br>> 15. A person shall be eligible for registration under this Act as an ICT<br>> practitioner if the person -<br>> ...<br>> (d) satisfies the Council that he or she is a person of good moral<br>> character and a fit and proper person to be registered under this Act.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 7:25 AM, <<a>kictanet-request@lists.<wbr>kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>> wrote:<br>><br>>> Send kictanet mailing list submissions to<br>>> <a>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>>><br>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>>> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>>> <a>kictanet-request@lists.<wbr>kictanet.or.ke</a><br>>><br>>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>>> <a>kictanet-owner@lists.kictanet.<wbr>or.ke</a><br>>><br>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>>> than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..."<br>>><br>>><br>>> Today's Topics:<br>>><br>>> 1. Re: Update on the ICT Practitioners Bill - Get the Facts<br>>> Right (Ali Hussein)<br>>><br>>><br>>> ------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>----------<br>>><br>>> Message: 1<br>>> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 07:23:23 +0300<br>>> From: Ali Hussein <<a>ali@hussein.me.ke</a>><br>>> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>><br>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update on the ICT Practitioners Bill - Get the<br>>> Facts Right<br>>> Message-ID: <<a>8AEC01A2-6299-42D5-8E15-<wbr>001028BAD0EE@hussein.me.ke</a>><br>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>>><br>>> Kamotho<br>>><br>>> Personal attacks will not deter me or others from saying it as it is:-<br>>><br>>> That the very idea of this bill is flawed - Democracy followed or not.<br>>><br>>> I would like to address your claims/comments one by one:-<br>>><br>>> 1. I didn't attend meetings hence I have given my 'representatives' a raw<br>>> deal. Firstly I do not claim that I was anointed. When we first attended<br>>> (Grace Bomu, Walubengo and Myself) the meeting at KEPSA to discuss this<br>>> bill and it's implications we simply said we were Kictaneters and were<br>>> there as such. Anyone else on this list was free to attend as this meeting<br>>> was discussed on the list. I or Grace Bomu attended several meetings<br>>> including the one which was chaired by John Omo at CCK and the<br>>> Parliamentary Committee meeting where you also attended. Subsequently I<br>>> contributed substantially to online discussions between the then 'Coalition<br>>> of the willing' which comprised of KICTANet members, Bake, KEPSA, MOICT and<br>>> iHub. The fact that I didn't attend some physical meetings doesn't at all<br>>> negate my participation and contribution. However, that I do not need to<br>>> justify to you. I'm merely putting forward my thoughts.<br>>><br>>> Who do you represent Kamotho? Since this issue of representation is a<br>>> door you have opened. Who is ICTAK? A quick look at the website doesn't<br>>> tell me much as to who are the bona fide members and officials of the<br>>> Association, when were they elected/appointed, how long is their term and<br>>> when is the next election or appointments? How about the management?<br>>><br>>> <a href="http://www.ictak.or.ke/" target="_blank">http://www.ictak.or.ke/</a><br>>><br>>> The reason I ask this is since you or ICTAK to be specific purport to<br>>> represent the ICT Community in this country then proof of mandate is<br>>> important don't you think?<br>>><br>>> A quick cursory search online to look at how such associations operate<br>>> took me to this site:-<br>>><br>>> <a href="http://www.aiita.org/" target="_blank">http://www.aiita.org/ </a>of the All India IT Association. The information<br>>> there in is instructive. From the Board of Directors to Management, this<br>>> information is missing on the ICTAK site,<br>>><br>>> Or ISACA (<a href="https://www.isaca.org/" target="_blank">https://www.isaca.org/</a>) whose local chapter holds regular<br>>> elections.<br>>><br>>> Or the U.K IT Association (<a href="http://members.ukita.co.uk/in" target="_blank">http://members.ukita.co.uk/in</a><br>>> dex.php?option=com_acymailing&<wbr>ctrl=archive&task=view&mailid=<br>>> 48&key=<wbr>d804decf5d06e74e2b30819cd84db9<wbr>e8&Itemid=66) which holds annual<br>>> AGMs.<br>>><br>>> 2. On point 2 I begin by quoting you on your email:-<br>>><br>>> 'Deliberations proceeded in good faith. Needless to state, this Bill like<br>>> any other is not a matter of life and death.'<br>>><br>>> My brother, for some of us IT IS a matter of life and death. Imagine<br>>> waking up one morning and you have been legislated out of your profession<br>>> or business because of an organization that purports to represent you and a<br>>> government that is supposed to be a 'Digital Government' sitting by as a<br>>> bystander and seemingly powerless to defend the very people they have been<br>>> purporting to protect, defend and promote.<br>>><br>>> You like any other Kenyan has a right to promote any bill whatsoever. In<br>>> the same breath, I and any other Kenyan has a right to oppose it if we feel<br>>> it will curb our ability to earn a decent living and protect our families.<br>>> Make no mistake about it this bill is a matter of life and death for some<br>>> of us.<br>>><br>>> 3. Another quote from you to emphasize my point on my hardline stand.<br>>><br>>> 'Parliament would be within its mandate to pass the Bill intact, to amend<br>>> it or to reject it altogether.'<br>>><br>>> So why then are we wasting time in deliberations? Why legitimize a<br>>> process so that you guys can go back and say 'We consulted and hence this<br>>> bill is a good place to start and has the blessings of the community.' I'm<br>>> sure I'm speaking to the majority listers when I say this is unfair and<br>>> flawed.<br>>><br>>> This country has a habit of using certain clauses of our new constitution<br>>> to justify nefarious actions, we will simply not stand for it and be seen<br>>> to be powerless or do anything about it. One that is used to devastating<br>>> effect is this issue of public participation. WCIT12, Dubai, is still fresh<br>>> in my mind where the previous ICT Ministry officials led by Dr. Ndemo was<br>>> instrumental in engaging all stakeholders in crafting a Multi-Stakeholder<br>>> Position on ITRs. This position was then changed by the new regime that<br>>> replaced Dr. Ndemo. They did not even have the decency to inform the<br>>> community. This impunity must stop. Government is supposed to represent the<br>>> people and when this is abused it is a serious matter indeed. Some history<br>>> here is important:-<br>>><br>>> <a href="http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/2012-December/018900.html" target="_blank">http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/<wbr>pipermail/kictanet/2012-<wbr>December/018900.html</a><br>>><br>>> And if I speak alone on this so be it because Tyranny is Tyranny whether<br>>> it is executed by a minority or a majority.<br>>><br>>> 4. To quote you..again:-<br>>><br>>> My humble understanding is that KICTANet is a serious platform where<br>>> listers are at liberty to exchange ideas that are supportive of ICT<br>>> sectoral progress. To this end wisdom should flow unfettered. This imposes<br>>> a responsibility to ensure that information supplied is factual, evidence<br>>> based and not merely driven by a passion for online flamboyance. In the<br>>> alternative, this forum could easily degenerate to mediocrity of<br>>> proportions only comparable to that of third rate blogs. God forbid!<br>>><br>>> Indeed Ndugu Kamotho. The fact that we disagree and can express ourselves<br>>> in the very list where the majority who have contributed to this discussion<br>>> have opposed this bill is in itself a testament to the maturity that<br>>> listers have demonstrated. If at any time I have come across as opinionated<br>>> it is because sometimes I am. :-) It is a flaw that I work hard every day<br>>> to tamper. I am after all human. :-) and I do apologize to anyone that I<br>>> might have rubbed the wrong way. Including you my brother. I believe that<br>>> we are mature enough to enjoy a mug of Malindi Macchiato (my favorite drink<br>>> at Java) and are free to disagree over it? :-)<br>>><br>>> 5. Lastly the ICT CS, Government Spokesperson have been categorical<br>>> publicly in rejecting this bill.<br>>><br>>> <a href="http://cio.co.ke/news/main-stories/government-of-kenya-rejec" target="_blank">http://cio.co.ke/news/main-<wbr>stories/government-of-kenya-<wbr>rejec</a><br>>> ts-ict-practitioners-bill#<br>>><br>>> Positions may have changed since then and it is the onus of this<br>>> government to tell us if in fact their position has changed, what<br>>> precipitated it and what is the new position.<br>>><br>>> Ali Hussein<br>>> Principal<br>>> Hussein & Associates<br>>> +254 0713 601113<br>>><br>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim<br>>> Skype: abu-jomo<br>>> LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/<wbr>alihkassim</a><br>>><br>>><br>>> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking<br>>> what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Gy?rgyi<br>>><br>>> Sent from my iPad<br>>><br>>> ******************************<wbr>************<br>>><br>><br>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/pipermail/kictanet/attachments/20161210/c8e9f931/attachment.html" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/<wbr>pipermail/kictanet/<wbr>attachments/20161210/c8e9f931/<wbr>attachment.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Subject: Digest Footer<br><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>kictanet mailing list<br><a>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br><a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>End of kictanet Digest, Vol 115, Issue 115<br>******************************<wbr>************<br></div> </div> </blockquote></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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