<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>This has surprised me - side note that says KE's data is not available?</div><div><img src="cid:5E60CB86-E40E-4516-A2BA-01DC1A893F4D" alt="image1.png" id="5E60CB86-E40E-4516-A2BA-01DC1A893F4D"></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Eric </div><div><br><div>Sent from my iPhone</div></div><div><br>On 2 Dec 2016, at 10:13, JImmy Gitonga via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">
<p class="gmail-p1">Hmmm,</p><p class="gmail-p1">There is no contention on the need for hard working, innovative "ICT practitioners" passionate about their craft.</p><p class="gmail-p1">What is in contention is whether this is the right time to bring in regulation to the industry, not regulation of the practice. What we don't have, because the ingredients forming the industry are still changing rapidly is an ICT profession. Will there ever be an all-round ICT "professional"? </p><p class="gmail-p1">Looking at human medicine, the human body is not changing, so one can standardise the medical profession, with known practices and various specialisations once the basic learning is done.</p><p class="gmail-p1">It that it?</p><p class="gmail-p1">We need to accept that ICT is in everything now. And it is entering mission-critical, life dependant places. And for a doctor who wants to carry out a remote surgical operation, the ICT professional helping him set up the equipment on local and remote site better be qualified in something beyond passion and innovation. Those don’t cut it at that point.<br></p><p class="gmail-p2"><span class="gmail-s1"></span></p>
<p class="gmail-p2">The Wright brothers had no flying license. The pilots today do.<br><span class="gmail-s1"></span></p>
<p class="gmail-p2"><span class="gmail-s1"></span>I liken it to weaving a rope. At some points all the strands have to come together and form the rope. Are we looking at the quality of the strand or the strength of the rope? If it is both, then there are two different mechanisms at play.</p><p class="gmail-p2">We need to separate those.</p><p class="gmail-p2"><br></p><p class="gmail-p2">Jimmy Gitonga<br><i>Web and Motion</i></p><p class="gmail-p2"><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p3"><span class="gmail-s2">On 2 Dec 2016, at 11:05 AM, <a href="mailto:kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke"><span class="gmail-s3">kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke</span></a> wrote:</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">Message: 1</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 11:03:56 +0300</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">From: Nelson J kwaje <<a href="mailto:nelson@web4all.co.ke"><span class="gmail-s3">nelson@web4all.co.ke</span></a>></span></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">To: James Muendo <<a href="mailto:james@muendo.co.ke"><span class="gmail-s3">james@muendo.co.ke</span></a>>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p3"><span class="gmail-s2"><span class="gmail-Apple-tab-span"> </span><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke"><span class="gmail-s3">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</span></a>></span></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority to weed out quacks</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p3"><span class="gmail-s2">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:c3e04afb-f032-61ab-2e5d-f8698218653d@web4all.co.ke"><span class="gmail-s3">c3e04afb-f032-61ab-2e5d-f8698218653d@web4all.co.ke</span></a>></span></p>
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<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">@James,</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p5"><span class="gmail-s1"></span><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">I like how people are open minded about ICT professional. it is okay to </span></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">be a drop out, it is okay to not have any qualifications, just have </span></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">passion and be good at what you do.</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p5"><span class="gmail-s1"></span><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">Doctors and Pilots used to be treated the same way. few regulations, few </span></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">standards and no regularity body until we realized that our lives </span></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">depends on these people and their mistakes can be catastrophic.</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p5"><span class="gmail-s1"></span><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">The ICT Industry is heading in the same direction. our errors are </span></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">starting to cause some serious damages and the society is right when it </span></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">demands some yardstick to know who is who.</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p5"><span class="gmail-s1"></span><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">Will you fly with an uncertified pilot ?</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p5"><span class="gmail-s1"></span><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">Can you go to the operating theater with a passionate and committed </span></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">doctor but no certificate ?</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p5"><span class="gmail-s1"></span><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">Why will you accept anyone to mange the system for your bank, hospital, </span></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">airport and even national security.</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p5"><span class="gmail-s1"></span><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">Cheers</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p5"><span class="gmail-s1"></span><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p4"><span class="gmail-s1">Nelson</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p2"><span class="gmail-s1"></span><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p2"><span class="gmail-s1"></span><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p2"><span class="gmail-s1"></span><br></p>
<p class="gmail-p1"><span class="gmail-s1">With the best regards,</span></p>
<p class="gmail-p1"><span class="gmail-s1"><b>Jimmy Gitonga</b></span></p><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:55 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send kictanet mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: ICT Authority to weed out quacks (Dorcas Muthoni)<br>
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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 11:53:11 +0300<br>
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Unfortunately, judging from my experience, both in public and private<br>
sector, HR and top IT management do indeed either get it wrong, lack<br>
ability or sometimes objectivity while onboarding vendors or staff.<br>
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In which case, industry professionals can help in defining a criteria for<br>
all. This of course should also be shared with tertiary institutions and<br>
universities.<br>
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As we know, new professions are being defined daily. Some core<br>
fundamentals remain the same.<br>
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On Dec 2, 2016 11:27 AM, "Francis Nderitu via kictanet" <<br>
<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
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> In my own view this kind of vetting they are asking for should be<br>
> institutional but not individual - which is already happening naturally.<br>
> Does Company A have the capacity to offer service XYZ? That kind of<br>
> approach could be helpful, just like in the construction industry, diffrent<br>
> companies have diffrent clearance level.<br>
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> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Nelson J kwaje via kictanet <<br>
> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> @James,<br>
>><br>
>> I like how people are open minded about ICT professional. it is okay to<br>
>> be a drop out, it is okay to not have any qualifications, just have passion<br>
>> and be good at what you do.<br>
>><br>
>> Doctors and Pilots used to be treated the same way. few regulations, few<br>
>> standards and no regularity body until we realized that our lives depends<br>
>> on these people and their mistakes can be catastrophic.<br>
>><br>
>> The ICT Industry is heading in the same direction. our errors are<br>
>> starting to cause some serious damages and the society is right when it<br>
>> demands some yardstick to know who is who.<br>
>><br>
>> Will you fly with an uncertified pilot ?<br>
>><br>
>> Can you go to the operating theater with a passionate and committed<br>
>> doctor but no certificate ?<br>
>><br>
>> Why will you accept anyone to mange the system for your bank, hospital,<br>
>> airport and even national security.<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers<br>
>><br>
>> Nelson<br></blockquote></div></div></div>
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