<p dir="ltr">Very interesting convo & engagement. Good spirit and thoughtful responses Ebele, keep em coming 👍</p>
<p dir="ltr">My question for FB - how does FB usually ensure that these type of folks use the "publicly available" info they gather for the specific use assigned? Maybe you've answered this on the thread and I missed it. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Does the developer store the info they gather or no? </p>
<p dir="ltr">Is it just "accessed" on FB for a set time? </p>
<p dir="ltr">If they do store it, or even just are able to store it - what happens in countries with no data protection laws on gathering/use/storage of data? </p>
<p dir="ltr">Thanks, </p>
<p dir="ltr">Steph. </p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 14 Oct 2016 19:27, "Anderson Levi via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Ngigi, has hit the nail on the head.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Everything else is "white noise".</p>
<p dir="ltr">If access to the API equals access to 'public' info then why all this...</p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="elided-text">On 14 Oct 2016 18:35, "Ebele Okobi via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="elided-text">
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<div>This is not a legal issue. It's against the rules of Facebook's developer agreement for someone to pose as a commercial developer and then sell information it gathered based upon APIs targeting publicly available information to police. None of this is
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<div>If the APIs only allows a developer to access *publicly* available information that is in the FB Platform, why would it be illegal for law enforcement / intelligence to even access it? </div>
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It can *only* be a problem if the API allows accessing *private *information from FB users.</div>
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<div>Which then brings us to an even *bigger problem*; is FB allowing developers to access our private information and messaging on FB for commercial purposes?</div>
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<div>Yes-this is a mess, and this article isn't an accurate report. Basically-this was a private company that set itself up as a developer-same as, say, Candy Crush makers or those quiz things about your friends on FB. As a developer, it got access to API (see
here <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__readwrite.com_2013_09_19_api-2Ddefined_&d=DQMGAA&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=ugY2LOWQPr3HVkgrJeaJsIdXO902T0vxQWS5mgsAFco&s=Mudkp_42mpAW4RqNFznaslWco7xHQOGfnxmHTYDfgbA&e=" target="_blank">http://readwrite.com/2013/09/<wbr>19/api-defined/</a>
for definition) that allowed it to build programs into FB. This allowed it to write programs targeting publicly available information on FB platform. That means-no private chats, no private groups, no data that users haven't made publicly available. The point
of APIs in this context is SUPPOSED to be so advertisers (from small business to nonprofits to Andela, etc.) can send ads to targeted users. This group completely violated our policies and used their API access to target publicly available info to send to
police. FB has kicked them off our platform. As you can imagine, there are many conversations now about this. But key to know that FB did NOT and does not sell user data; that this was a completely unauthorized use of our developer platform, that we rectified
this as soon as we were notified, that the access was not to user data, but essentially a program that allowed them to target public info on Facebook. It's still unacceptable, and something we are taking extremely seriously.</div>
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