<div dir="ltr"><div>Unless I got this wrong. Insult in Swahili means "Kutukana". In which case the response to an insulting person (a fool) is to keep quiet. Arguing with a fool is foolish.<br><br></div><div>This does not look so good in many ways for a public figure like him.<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Alex Watila <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I think if someone insults you, you sue for liable because you have to prove to the courts that what was said was not true.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Alex<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> kictanet [mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bawatila" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+<wbr>awatila</a>=<a href="mailto:yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">yahoo.co.uk@lists.<wbr>kictanet.or.ke</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 24, 2016 8:39 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Ahmed Mohamed Maawy <<a href="mailto:ultimateprogramer@gmail.com" target="_blank">ultimateprogramer@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp<u></u><u></u></span></p><span class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Question: Is insulting a <b>cybercrime</b> per se?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">As a mwanainchi why cant I arrest a person for insulting me on WhatsApp? (Let along Facebook or Twitter) ??<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></span><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><span class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></span><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><span class=""><div><p class="MsoNormal">It shouldn't matter if he insulted or criticised. It's laws like this that are used to shut down legitimate criticism. Studies have shown just the threat of censure/arrest has wide effects outside the person being censured/arrested.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Bringing this back to a local context, isn't the law that got Wadi arrested still on the books?<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></span><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><span class=""><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 23 September 2016 at 17:16, Mildred Achoch via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></span><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><span class=""><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The nature of the insult was not indicated in the article. I'm just wondering whether the lecturer insulted or criticized. There is a difference between the two...or is there?<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Mildred Achoch.<u></u><u></u></p></span><div><div><div><div><span class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel! <br><a href="http://kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://<wbr>kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.<wbr>blogspot.com</a><br><br><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></span><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><wbr>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><div><span class=""><p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#111111">A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, <b>bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10.</b></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0" target="_blank">http://www.reuters.com/<wbr>article/us-tanzania-president-<wbr>idUSKCN11T14C?il=0</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></span><div style="margin-bottom:15.0pt;overflow:auto"><table style="width:90.0%;background:white;border-top:dotted #c8c8c8 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:dotted #c8c8c8 1.0pt;border-right:none" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="1" width="90%"><tbody><tr><td style="width:187.5pt;border:none;padding:15.0pt 15.0pt 15.0pt .75pt" width="250" valign="top"><div style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;min-height:169px;display:table"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:15.0pt;background:white"><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u><u></u></span></a></p></div></td><td style="border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;display:table-cell" valign="top"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:15.0pt"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Light",sans-serif;color:#0078d7"><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0078d7;text-decoration:none"><span style="color:blue">Tanzanian lecturer charged with insulting president on WhatsApp</span><u></u><u></u></span></a></span></p></div><div><div class="h5"><div style="margin-top:7.5pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:15.0pt;line-height:10.5pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#666666"><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0" target="_blank"><span style="color:#666666;text-decoration:none"><u><span style="color:blue">www.reuters.com</span></u><u></u><u></u></span></a></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:15.0pt;line-height:15.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#666666"><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0" target="_blank"><span style="color:#666666;text-decoration:none">A Tanzanian lecturer has been charged with insulting President John Magufuli in a WhatsApp message, a senior police official said on Friday, bringing the number of people charged under a tough new cybercrimes law to 10.<u></u><u></u></span></a></span></p></div></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0" target="_blank"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><u></u> <u></u></span></a></span></p><p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0" target="_blank"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none"><u></u> <u></u></span></a></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><u></u> <u></u></span></a></p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tanzania-president-idUSKCN11T14C?il=0" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>kictanet mailing list<br><u><span style="color:blue">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</span></u><br><u><span style="color:blue">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/kictanet</span></u><br><br>Unsubscribe or change your options at <u><span style="color:blue">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/<wbr>mailman/options/kictanet/<wbr>mildandred%40gmail.com</span></u><br><br>The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The n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