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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>john,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>It is recommended that definitions used in laws should be based on standards.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>IEEE still seems to be debating what the definition of ICT should be.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Have a look at <a href="http://www.pes-spdc.org/content/ict-means">http://www.pes-spdc.org/content/ict-means</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Alex<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <b>On Behalf Of </b>ngethe.kariuki2007 via kictanet<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 1, 2016 4:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> awatila@yahoo.co.uk<br><b>Cc:</b> ngethe.kariuki2007 <ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Listers, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have in the past on this list intimated that I have yet to find a legal definition of ICT.I have reason to believe that there is none unless advised otherwise by someone knowledgeable on the subject. If my understanding is correct, how then can anyone purport to legislate on a subject which has no legal definition?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>John Kariuki<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#575757'>Sent from Samsung Mobile<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Barrack Otieno via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> <br>Date: <br>To: <a href="mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk">ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk</a> <br>Cc: Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>> <br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away <br><br><br>Hi Elizabeth,<br><br>Its a shame indeed, we have a habit of leaders reaping where they did<br>not sow, i am glad with the new constitutional dispensation there is<br>no room for such leaders who happen to be erstwhile tenderpreneurs who<br>reap at the expense of hardworking innovators, the ICT community<br>should step up its game and say no to such leadership, time to take<br>full control of the sector including the leaders we send to Parliament<br>.<br>Its a pity that the legislators claim they are not in a position to<br>help stakeholders as reported, i think we should send the correct<br>message they normally understand and send them out of bunge using<br>twitter, 2017 is a few months away.<br><br>Regards<br><br>Regards<br><br>On 8/1/16, Elizabeth Rossiello via kictanet<br><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>> I had a very frightening conversation on Thursday, where a self-proclaimed<br>> "Tech Person" and leader of a business networking association declared the<br>> following:<br>><br>> - "The techies of Kenya were getting out of control and taking over the<br>> direction of the country without supervision"<br>> - "Private businesses should choose their employees with the help of the<br>> government (via this bill's licensing and certification)"<br>> - "Kenya is happy to be the only country in the world [besides Ethiopia]<br>> with such stringent measures because it is a leader"<br>> -"Doctors need to be licensed and so do Techies"<br>><br>> ... when I responded that I would have to fire 8 young Kenyan female<br>> employees who are well-paid and highly competent because they don't have<br>> the appropriate license, they said "the government should be involved in<br>> who you can hire."<br>><br>> I was shocked at the misinformation and views. This is akin to the way<br>> Trump supporters spew misinformation they receive from Fox News. Most of<br>> it seems to stem from a lack of knowledge on what defines a "techie" and<br>> what they are and are not capable of. It seems as some people think there<br>> is an army of robots about to take over this country from the innocents.<br>><br>> Who has been driving this narrative?<br>><br>><br>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Watila Alex via kictanet <<br>> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> they are not being honest.<br>>><br>>> based on the views they have received they can recommend its withdrawal.<br>>><br>>> regards,<br>>><br>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<br>>> <<a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android">https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android</a>><br>>><br>>> On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet<br>>> <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> <a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5haiq1/index.html">http://www.nation.co.ke/business/Our-hands-tied-in-ICT-Bill/996-3324824-5haiq1/index.html</a><br>>><br>>> We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the<br>>> current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy.<br>>><br>>> Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are<br>>> also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so<br>>> are many other professions, which each already have their own<br>>> registration. So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT<br>>> practitioners?<br>>><br>>> --<br>>> Tony White<br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> kictanet mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>>> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br>>><br>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at<br>>> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awatila%40yahoo.co.uk">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awatila%40yahoo.co.uk</a><br>>><br>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform<br>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and<br>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT<br>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and<br>>> development.<br>>><br>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors<br>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and<br>>> bandwidth,<br>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do<br>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<br>>><br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> kictanet mailing list<br>>> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>>> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br>>><br>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at<br>>> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/elizabeth%40bitpesa.co">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/elizabeth%40bitpesa.co</a><br>>><br>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform<br>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and<br>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT<br>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and<br>>> development.<br>>><br>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors<br>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and<br>>> bandwidth,<br>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do<br>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<br>>><br>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Elizabeth Rossiello<br>> CEO and Co-Founder<br>> *BitPESA*<br>> Nigeria: +234 909 345 4135<br>> Kenya: +254 710 891 851<br>> Skype: erossiello<br>><br><br><br>-- <br>Barrack O. Otieno<br>+254721325277<br>+254733206359<br>Skype: barrack.otieno<br>PGP ID: 0x2611D86A<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>kictanet mailing list<br><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br><a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br><br>Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngethe.kariuki2007%40yahoo.co.uk">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngethe.kariuki2007%40yahoo.co.uk</a><br><br>The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.<br><br>KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>