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<div>This is so helpful, thank you!</div>
<div>Is the sponsor open to conversations? Has he said what problem he is trying to solve with this? </div>
<div>Is there a sense that if this bill is voted on, it will pass? If it’s not possible for it to be withdrawn or appropriately amended (although it’s hard for me to see how it could be appropriately amended), is there room for KICTAnet to engage directly with
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> on behalf of "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, August 1, 2016 at 10:47 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Ebele Okobi <<a href="mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com">ebeleokobi@fb.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"Grace Mutung'u (Bomu)" <<a href="mailto:nmutungu@gmail.com">nmutungu@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">KICTANet together with others (KEPSA, TESPOK, BAKE, KITOS, iHub) presented a memorandum to the Energy and ICT Committee opposing the Bill on 26th July. We were advised about the process of withdrawal
of a Bill, which is that only the sponsor can withdraw it, with the leave of the Speaker. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We nevertheless presented our memorandum and our position was similar to the Ministry's position- that the Bill is not grounded on sound policy and should be withdrawn.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Committee insisted that they had 21 days in which to report back the Bill. They asked for proposals to amend what we thought were problematic clauses and there was another hearing before the
committee on 28th July. Committee is still discussing stakeholder views before reporting back the Bill. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Regards, </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2016-08-01 12:11 GMT+03:00 John Gitau via kictanet <span dir="ltr">
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<div>For this particular ICT bill. No known engagement has happened.<br>
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<div class="h5">On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <span dir="ltr">
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<div>Apologies in advance for my ignorance-What kind of formal or informal engagement has happened related to the ICT bill?</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> on behalf of Watila Alex via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>"<a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a>" <<a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a>>, KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, August 1, 2016 at 8:08 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Ebele Okobi <<a href="mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com" target="_blank">ebeleokobi@fb.com</a>><span><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Watila Alex <<a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [kictanet] ICT Bill is not going away<br>
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<div>they are not being honest.
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<div>based on the views they have received they can recommend its withdrawal.</div>
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<div>On Mon, 1 Aug, 2016 at 9:50, Tony White via kictanet</div>
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We need a proper public consultation on this, in the same way as the<br>
current Cybercrimes bill, and the recent ICT policy.<br>
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Just another thought that has not so far been raised: Engineers are<br>
also 'ICT Practitioners', so are some lawyers, so are some doctors, so<br>
are many other professions, which each already have their own<br>
registration. So they now must ALSO be registered as ICT<br>
practitioners?<br>
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