<p dir="ltr">Let me add this here<br>
<a href="http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/Computer-and-Cyber-Crime-Bill/539548-3317030-ps9yyt/index.html">http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/Computer-and-Cyber-Crime-Bill/539548-3317030-ps9yyt/index.html</a></p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 27, 2016 12:23, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi @ Kelvin,<br>
<br>
I think the issue of employees handing over passwords is a factor of<br>
company ICT policies. The motive needs to be scrutinized as well, this<br>
brings in the question of whether the bill is aligned to global best<br>
practices that are used by organizations to develop ICT policies in<br>
addition to Standards such as ISO 27000 series.<br>
<br>
Thank you<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet<br>
<<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
> Dear Listers,<br>
><br>
> The bill clearly outlines the unauthorized disclosure of a password as a<br>
> crime, however, it is silent on a situation where an employee 'refuses' to<br>
> hand-over passwords of certain accounts including servers, and web domain<br>
> registrar or claims to have 'forgotten' those passwords, especially in<br>
> situations where they have lost their job . So my questions are:<br>
> 1. Is that a criminal offence?<br>
> 2. Should it be dealt with the company policy or should it be included in<br>
> this bill?<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Monyango via kictanet<br>
> <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On Cyber squatting, I don't see the rationale of it being a criminal<br>
>> offence. It being a civil wrong, maybe yes. But as lawyers say, equity aids<br>
>> the vigilant and not the indolent.<br>
>><br>
>> On Jul 25, 2016 2:34 PM, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet"<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Many thanks Ali,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Indeed such things happen when elections are around the corner, i also<br>
>>> think the Computer and Cyber Crimes Bill will become more relevant as<br>
>>> we approach elections, reading the act i cant help but observe that<br>
>>> some of the offenses attract fines for as much as 7 million shillings<br>
>>> are we getting over excited or is this the norm internationally? i<br>
>>> hope other listers have had a change to review the bill.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Regards<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 7/25/16, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> > Barrack and all<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > To address the issue of <a href="http://uhuru.co.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">uhuru.co.ke</a> in relation to the cyber crime Bill<br>
>>> > 2006.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Let me first address the issue of cybersquatting as opposed to the<br>
>>> > practice<br>
>>> > of selling domains in the Domain After Market.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Cyber-Squatting is best described as the practice of registering names,<br>
>>> > especially well-known company or brand names, as Internet domains, in<br>
>>> > the<br>
>>> > hope of reselling them at a profit. For example:-<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > <a href="http://Walmart.co.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Walmart.co.ke</a><br>
>>> > <a href="http://Carrefour.co.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Carrefour.co.ke</a><br>
>>> > <a href="http://Yahoo.co.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Yahoo.co.ke</a> (which incidentally I once owned when I didn't know any<br>
>>> > better!<br>
>>> > :-) )<br>
>>> > <a href="http://Google.co.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Google.co.ke</a> (which incidentally was free once not too long ago)<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > The domain aftermarket is the secondary market for Internet domain<br>
>>> > names<br>
>>> > which a party interested in acquiring a domain that is already<br>
>>> > registered<br>
>>> > bids or negotiates a price to effect the transfer of registration from<br>
>>> > the<br>
>>> > registered holder of that domain name.<br>
>>> > The professional pursuit of speculation in the domain aftermarket is<br>
>>> > known<br>
>>> > as domaining. The domain aftermarket has grown substantially, as an<br>
>>> > increasing number of generic domains names that promise 'marketing<br>
>>> > appeal'<br>
>>> > and 'desirability' are registered by domain warehouses, or resellers.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > The domain aftermarket is facilitated by auction houses which provide<br>
>>> > communication methods for buyers and sellers to interact, often<br>
>>> > anonymously,<br>
>>> > to negotiate and close a transaction. They often provide additional<br>
>>> > services, such as financial escrow services and domain parking.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Now let's address the <a href="http://uhuru.co.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">uhuru.co.ke</a> case. This is similar to the Evans<br>
>>> > Kidero<br>
>>> > case sometime back. In that particular case the Good Governor's team<br>
>>> > had the<br>
>>> > good sense to negotiate and acquire the domain that had slipped through<br>
>>> > their fingers.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > So is Uhuru a Brand Name or a Generic Name?<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > A quick look at Google search results indicate that the word Uhuru has<br>
>>> > a<br>
>>> > generic meaning (freedom) and is also a name.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > So which one is it? A Brand Name or a Generic one.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Let's do another exercise.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Word. Generic name or brand name for one of the most successful<br>
>>> > computer<br>
>>> > programs ever?<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > You get the picture..<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Does this issue belong in the Cyber-Security bill?<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > My take:- A resounding NO. Let's apportion the blame where it<br>
>>> > belongs..with<br>
>>> > the guys who should have known better and let such a valuable Generic<br>
>>> > Name<br>
>>> > lapse.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > KeNIC are you listening? Seems like some people need 101 lessons on<br>
>>> > Defensive Domain Registration.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > And to Corporates out there here's my advise for free:-<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Move your domain custodian services from the IT Department to the<br>
>>> > Marketing<br>
>>> > Department.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > My two cowrie shells..<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Ali Hussein<br>
>>> > Principal<br>
>>> > Hussein & Associates<br>
>>> > +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Twitter: @AliHKassim<br>
>>> > Skype: abu-jomo<br>
>>> > LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking<br>
>>> > what<br>
>>> > no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Sent from my iPad<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> >> On 25 Jul 2016, at 9:45 AM, Barrack Otieno via isoc<br>
>>> >> <<a href="mailto:isoc@lists.my.co.ke">isoc@lists.my.co.ke</a>><br>
>>> >> wrote:<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> Listers,<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> As you prepare your comments, we had an interesting case last week of<br>
>>> >> <a href="http://www.uhuru.co.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.uhuru.co.ke</a>. Apparently the owner of the domain was ready to part<br>
>>> >> with it for a tidy sum of money. There were counterarguments as to<br>
>>> >> whether the domain was a generic name or whether it was a trademark<br>
>>> >> :-)(you know what i mean), it also brought to fore the issue of<br>
>>> >> cybersquatting and whether it is an illegal activity on the dot Ke<br>
>>> >> space. There are those who felt that this is a genuine mode of<br>
>>> >> business akin to speculation in real estate. Was this an offence in<br>
>>> >> light of the Computer and Cybercrimes bill 2016?<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> Regards<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >>> On 7/25/16, Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >>> Listers,<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> As announced last week, online discussions on the Computer and<br>
>>> >>> Cybercrimes bill 2016 will start today. The Computer and Cybercrimes<br>
>>> >>> bill can be accessed using the following link<br>
>>> >>> <a href="http://www.mygov.go.ke/?p=11234" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.mygov.go.ke/?p=11234</a>.<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> Today we focus on part II of the bill which focuses on the offences:<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> Questions<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> 1. Does the section address computer and cyber crime related offenses<br>
>>> >>> in a comprehensive manner and according to International standards ?<br>
>>> >>> 2. If it does not can you point out areas that need to be<br>
>>> >>> incorporated<br>
>>> >>> into the bill?<br>
>>> >>> 3. Are there clauses in this section that will impede the growth of<br>
>>> >>> electronic commerce or affect online citizen participation as seen on<br>
>>> >>> Kenyans on Twitter (KOT) ? If that is the case , how should the same<br>
>>> >>> be phrased?<br>
>>> >>> 4. Do you have any other proposals that can be incorporated into part<br>
>>> >>> 2 to improve it?<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> We welcome your feedback on the questions above,<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> Thank you<br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>><br>
>>> >>> Kelvin and Barrack<br>
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><br>
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