<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Listers,</div><div><br></div>The bill clearly outlines the unauthorized disclosure of a password as a crime, however, it is silent on a situation where an employee 'refuses' to hand-over passwords of certain accounts including servers, and web domain registrar or claims to have 'forgotten' those passwords, especially in situations where they have lost their job . So my questions are:<div>1. Is that a criminal offence?</div><div>2. Should it be dealt with the company policy or should it be included in this bill?</div><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Monyango via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">On Cyber squatting, I don't see the rationale of it being a criminal offence. It being a civil wrong, maybe yes. But as lawyers say, equity aids the vigilant and not the indolent. </p>
<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Jul 25, 2016 2:34 PM, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">Many thanks Ali,<br>
<br>
Indeed such things happen when elections are around the corner, i also<br>
think the Computer and Cyber Crimes Bill will become more relevant as<br>
we approach elections, reading the act i cant help but observe that<br>
some of the offenses attract fines for as much as 7 million shillings<br>
are we getting over excited or is this the norm internationally? i<br>
hope other listers have had a change to review the bill.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
On 7/25/16, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
> Barrack and all<br>
><br>
> To address the issue of <a href="http://uhuru.co.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">uhuru.co.ke</a> in relation to the cyber crime Bill<br>
> 2006.<br>
><br>
> Let me first address the issue of cybersquatting as opposed to the practice<br>
> of selling domains in the Domain After Market.<br>
><br>
> Cyber-Squatting is best described as the practice of registering names,<br>
> especially well-known company or brand names, as Internet domains, in the<br>
> hope of reselling them at a profit. For example:-<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://Walmart.co.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Walmart.co.ke</a><br>
> <a href="http://Carrefour.co.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Carrefour.co.ke</a><br>
> <a href="http://Yahoo.co.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Yahoo.co.ke</a> (which incidentally I once owned when I didn't know any better!<br>
> :-) )<br>
> <a href="http://Google.co.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Google.co.ke</a> (which incidentally was free once not too long ago)<br>
><br>
> The domain aftermarket is the secondary market for Internet domain names<br>
> which a party interested in acquiring a domain that is already registered<br>
> bids or negotiates a price to effect the transfer of registration from the<br>
> registered holder of that domain name.<br>
> The professional pursuit of speculation in the domain aftermarket is known<br>
> as domaining. The domain aftermarket has grown substantially, as an<br>
> increasing number of generic domains names that promise 'marketing appeal'<br>
> and 'desirability' are registered by domain warehouses, or resellers.<br>
><br>
> The domain aftermarket is facilitated by auction houses which provide<br>
> communication methods for buyers and sellers to interact, often anonymously,<br>
> to negotiate and close a transaction. They often provide additional<br>
> services, such as financial escrow services and domain parking.<br>
><br>
> Now let's address the <a href="http://uhuru.co.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">uhuru.co.ke</a> case. This is similar to the Evans Kidero<br>
> case sometime back. In that particular case the Good Governor's team had the<br>
> good sense to negotiate and acquire the domain that had slipped through<br>
> their fingers.<br>
><br>
> So is Uhuru a Brand Name or a Generic Name?<br>
><br>
> A quick look at Google search results indicate that the word Uhuru has a<br>
> generic meaning (freedom) and is also a name.<br>
><br>
> So which one is it? A Brand Name or a Generic one.<br>
><br>
> Let's do another exercise.<br>
><br>
> Word. Generic name or brand name for one of the most successful computer<br>
> programs ever?<br>
><br>
> You get the picture..<br>
><br>
> Does this issue belong in the Cyber-Security bill?<br>
><br>
> My take:- A resounding NO. Let's apportion the blame where it belongs..with<br>
> the guys who should have known better and let such a valuable Generic Name<br>
> lapse.<br>
><br>
> KeNIC are you listening? Seems like some people need 101 lessons on<br>
> Defensive Domain Registration.<br>
><br>
> And to Corporates out there here's my advise for free:-<br>
><br>
> Move your domain custodian services from the IT Department to the Marketing<br>
> Department.<br>
><br>
> My two cowrie shells..<br>
><br>
> Ali Hussein<br>
> Principal<br>
> Hussein & Associates<br>
> +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375<br>
><br>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim<br>
> Skype: abu-jomo<br>
> LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what<br>
> no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi<br>
><br>
> Sent from my iPad<br>
><br>
>> On 25 Jul 2016, at 9:45 AM, Barrack Otieno via isoc <<a href="mailto:isoc@lists.my.co.ke" target="_blank">isoc@lists.my.co.ke</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Listers,<br>
>><br>
>> As you prepare your comments, we had an interesting case last week of<br>
>> <a href="http://www.uhuru.co.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.uhuru.co.ke</a>. Apparently the owner of the domain was ready to part<br>
>> with it for a tidy sum of money. There were counterarguments as to<br>
>> whether the domain was a generic name or whether it was a trademark<br>
>> :-)(you know what i mean), it also brought to fore the issue of<br>
>> cybersquatting and whether it is an illegal activity on the dot Ke<br>
>> space. There are those who felt that this is a genuine mode of<br>
>> business akin to speculation in real estate. Was this an offence in<br>
>> light of the Computer and Cybercrimes bill 2016?<br>
>><br>
>> Regards<br>
>><br>
>>> On 7/25/16, Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> Listers,<br>
>>><br>
>>> As announced last week, online discussions on the Computer and<br>
>>> Cybercrimes bill 2016 will start today. The Computer and Cybercrimes<br>
>>> bill can be accessed using the following link<br>
>>> <a href="http://www.mygov.go.ke/?p=11234" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.mygov.go.ke/?p=11234</a>.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Today we focus on part II of the bill which focuses on the offences:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Questions<br>
>>><br>
>>> 1. Does the section address computer and cyber crime related offenses<br>
>>> in a comprehensive manner and according to International standards ?<br>
>>> 2. If it does not can you point out areas that need to be incorporated<br>
>>> into the bill?<br>
>>> 3. Are there clauses in this section that will impede the growth of<br>
>>> electronic commerce or affect online citizen participation as seen on<br>
>>> Kenyans on Twitter (KOT) ? If that is the case , how should the same<br>
>>> be phrased?<br>
>>> 4. Do you have any other proposals that can be incorporated into part<br>
>>> 2 to improve it?<br>
>>><br>
>>> We welcome your feedback on the questions above,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thank you<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Kelvin and Barrack<br>
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