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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 July 2016 at 12:25, Liz Orembo via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Who are the members of ICTAK? Has anyone managed to check on their website?<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Tony White via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">Another piece of absolute nonsense. Our ICT sector is too dynamic at<br>
present, compared with the other professions cited, which are settled<br>
and well established ...and are slow to change. The ICTAK is in<br>
favour of this because it promotes *their* agenda, which is not<br>
aligned with the profession as a whole - indeed, I suspect they are<br>
behind the bill's creation.<br>
<br>
Let's hope that CS Mucheru - who has stated that the bill is not<br>
ministry or government policy - will push for the rejection of the<br>
bill when it comes to a vote in the national assembly.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Tony<br>
<br>
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On 08/07/2016, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet<br>
<div><div><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
> @Waudo,<br>
><br>
> The industry has tackled the bill on multiple fronts. There have been<br>
> memoranda from multiple sources to parliament in rejection of the bill in<br>
> totality. Distinguished progressive Members of the National Assembly have<br>
> also been contacted to fight for the interests of the community, and moreso<br>
> the youth. All this effort culminated with the CS of ICT issuing the<br>
> statement that went out on Wednesday.<br>
><br>
> On that note, and to strengthen the process, it would be great if CSK<br>
> approach it's lawyers, and members, and also submits a response to the<br>
> Clerk of the National Assembly. Together we are stronger.<br>
><br>
> Sincerely,<br>
><br>
> ______________________<br>
> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya<br>
> <a href="http://twitter.com/lordmwesh" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">twitter.com/lordmwesh</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 8 July 2016 at 10:37, waudo siganga via kictanet <<br>
> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Ali, Koris, Ngigi, and others - I hope we still get some advise from our<br>
>> ICT legal minds e.g. Bomu, Muriungi, Sihanhya, etc. in order to have a<br>
>> structured way forward Where, for example, and in what format does one<br>
>> present objections to the MPs since the bill has already been rushed<br>
>> there? Is it too late to stop the MPs from even considering it? How come<br>
>> the CS has disowned it and yet it is still moving forward?<br>
>><br>
>> W.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet wrote:<br>
>> > Ali,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > It's very clear now where this bill most likely comes from!<br>
>> ><br>
>> > And any one whose line of thought starts with "...the rate at which<br>
>> > technology evolves does not outstrip existing policy and legal<br>
>> > frameworks..." clearly does *not* understand technology, which always<br>
>> > outstrips policy & legal frameworks.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > If ICTAK wants to regulate it's own members, fine. Let them draft the<br>
>> > most draconian and I'll thought regulations they can. Just don't<br>
>> > impose<br>
>> > them onto the rest of us.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On another note, the ones with the 'powers'; the name ICTAK uses, is it<br>
>> > legal? It seems to give credence to the fact that they represent ICT<br>
>> > practitioners in Kenya, which the do not.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Waithaka Ngigi<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Alliance Technologies<br>
>> > <a href="http://www.at.co.ke" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.at.co.ke</a><br>
>> > Original Message<br>
>> > From: Ali Hussein via kictanet<br>
>> > Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:09 AM<br>
>> > To: Ngigi Waithaka<br>
>> > Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<br>
>> > Cc: Ali Hussein<br>
>> > Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: STATEMENT ON THE INFORMATION COMMUNICATION<br>
>> > TECHNOLOGY (ICT) PRACTITIONERS BILL 2016 BY ICTA<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Listers<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Please see attached. Clearly we have a fight in our hands. Let's not<br>
>> > let<br>
>> > up on this.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Ali Hussein<br>
>> > Principal<br>
>> > Hussein & Associates<br>
>> > +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Twitter: @AliHKassim<br>
>> > Skype: abu-jomo<br>
>> > LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking<br>
>> > what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Sent from my iPad<br>
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>> > ><br>
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