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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>fyi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com [mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Reuben Cummings<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 6, 2016 10:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: FW: [kictanet] [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Interesting article. What it failed to mention was how successful those other bodies are at advocating for their respective profession. "Everyone else is doing it" is a bad argument IMHO. <o:p></o:p></p><p>__________________________________________<br>Reuben Cummings<br>Founder & Managing Director, Nerevu Development<br><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/nerevu">https://www.linkedin.com/company/nerevu</a><o:p></o:p></p><p>+255 756 477 319 (vodacom)<br>+255 789 477 319 (airtel)<br>+254 703 576 035 (safaricom)<br>+1 (234) 738-2266 (whatsapp)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 5, 2016 11:01 PM, "Evanson Wachira" <<a href="mailto:evansonwachira@gmail.com">evansonwachira@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>A likely source of where these ideas might have begun:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Alex Watila <<a href="mailto:awatila@gmail.com" target="_blank">awatila@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>FYI</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> kictanet [mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces%2Bawatila" target="_blank">kictanet-bounces+awatila</a>=<a href="mailto:yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 5, 2016 7:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) <<a href="mailto:nmutungu@gmail.com" target="_blank">nmutungu@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Interesting developments Alex. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>My initial reaction after reading the Bill is, questions questions questions: </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>First of all, why would anyone conceive such an idea? To cure what problem? How will it better society as a whole? If indeed there was a problem to be addressed, couldn't the same have been dealt with in the policy process first? Assuming this Bill emanated from the Ministry, why would the Ministry undertake a policy review process and at the same time undertake a legal process to regulate the profession? And why is regulation of ICT professionals not even mentioned in the draft policy? We are always ready to engage and I am shocked to have learnt of the process so far in the day. Or did ICT professionals have a processes the outcome of which is this Bill? </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Speaking of a profession, what is the ICT profession? I see the Bill has attempted a definition at section 2 but isn't ICTs the most dynamic and cross cutting "profession" we have? Was there a study done to support such a disruptive regulation of the profession? Are there other countries that regulate their geeks this much? So what informed this legislation? </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Think of all the young people who eke a living from ICT related businesses. Why would anyone want to subject all these youth, together with those graduating from colleges and universities to one more hurdle before they can start working? Can't we leave it to the market to separate the very good practitioners from the average ones? </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I do not understand the Kenyan obsession with ever regulating professions. What I know is that it is expensive for parents to perpetually pay fees before their (overgrown) children can finally get employment. It is also an additional cost to businesses as they have to foot the cost of compliance for the various professionals they employ or outsource. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Finally, what are our legislative priorities in this sector? I would have thought the Data Protection framework is more urgent and maybe a Cyber Security one. While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association? </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Regards, </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>2016-07-05 14:03 GMT+03:00 Alex Watila via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>FYI<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com</a>] On Behalf Of Tim Schofield<br>Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:37 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy<br><br>This could be a crushing blow to Kenya's ICT industry. If the USA had such a law then so many of their major ICT companies would never have happened. To name but 2, neither Steve Jobs nor Bill Gates gained any formal ICT qualifications, in fact neither of them passed a degree in anything. Several of the leading Linux kernel developers have no formal ICT training.<br><br>Tim<br><br>On 4 July 2016 at 14:04, Tony White <<a href="mailto:tony.mzungu@gmail.com" target="_blank">tony.mzungu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> ...and *this*:<br>><br>> <a href="http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCo" target="_blank">http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCo</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>> mmunicationTechnologyPractitioners_Bill_2016.pdf<br>><br>> Which was introduced in the National Assembly last week, which will<br>> rquire all ICT 'practitioners' to be licenced (annually!!) and<br>> registered, with examination of qualifications, and ongoing<br>> 'training'!!<br>><br>> Phew!!<br>><br>> Tony<br>><br>> On 04/07/2016, Ibrahim Ng'eno <<a href="mailto:eebrah@gmail.com" target="_blank">eebrah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> Y'all have seen this[1], yes?<br>>><br>>> [1]<br>>> <a href="http://www.information.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Draft-Nationa" target="_blank">http://www.information.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Draft-Nationa</a><br>>> l-ICT-Policy-20June2016.pdf<br>>><br>>> -- Ibrahim<br>>><br>>> --<br>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google<br>>> Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group.<br>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,<br>>> send an email to <a href="mailto:nairobi-gnu%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">nairobi-gnu+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>>> To post to this group, send email to <a href="mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>>> For more options, visit <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/optout" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/optout</a>.<br>>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Tony White<br>><br>> --<br>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group.<br>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <a href="mailto:nairobi-gnu%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">nairobi-gnu+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>> To post to this group, send email to <a href="mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>> For more options, visit <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/optout" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/optout</a>.<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>--<br>Course View Towers,<br>Plot 21 Yusuf Lule Road,<br>Kampala<br>T +256 (0) 312 314 418<br>M +256 (0) 752 963 325<br><a href="http://www.weberpafrica.com" target="_blank">www.weberpafrica.com</a><br>Twitter: @TimSchofield2<br>Blog: <a href="http://weberpafrica.blogspot.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://weberpafrica.blogspot.co.uk/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>--<br>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Nairobi GNU/Linux User Group" group.<br>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <a href="mailto:nairobi-gnu%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">nairobi-gnu+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>To post to this group, send email to <a href="mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>For more options, visit <a href="https://groups.google.com/d/optout" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/d/optout</a>.<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>kictanet mailing list<br><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br><a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br><br>Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nmutungu%40gmail.com" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nmutungu%40gmail.com</a><br><br>The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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