<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>All</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Here's an online petition to say no to this ridiculous bill.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><a href="https://www.change.org/p/president-uhuru-kenyatta-say-no-to-the-ict-practitioners-bill">https://www.change.org/p/president-uhuru-kenyatta-say-no-to-the-ict-practitioners-bill</a></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><b>Principal</b></span></div><div><b style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Hussein & Associates</b></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font></font></span><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span></p><font><br></font></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div>"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 6 Jul 2016, at 9:18 AM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Yeah, if you just think about it they definitely used Microsoft Word on a Microsoft Windows machine to draft this bill itself, then go on to dismiss the credentials of the same person who gave them the platforms to do everything electronic. Says a lot. #JustSaying<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Stellar Murumba <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nstellarnelly@gmail.com" target="_blank">nstellarnelly@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Haha I like this one Ahmed. If someone can still deliver to the core even without a degree, does his level of education really matter? Convince me...<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 6 Jul 2016, at 6:25 AM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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</div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span class=""><div dir="ltr"><div>Perhaps the other simple question should be: If this was to happen. Shouldn't the ICT Ministry and ICT Authority get directly involved?<br><br></div>I also have one more concern. With the technology arena, why are we going back to hacking Degrees and Diplomas as a pre-requisite to be a fully qualified practitioner? No offence, but doesn't that disqualify Bill Gates and Steve Jobs?<br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:21 AM, Erick Mwangi via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr">Wow seems this has morphed tremendously..<div><br></div><div>I agree re-Twitter, it will create the necessary traction needed.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Eric</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Listers,<br><div><br></div><div>If you desire to take this to Twitter in protest, kindly use the hashtag <a>#KillTheICTBill</a></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks Mr Mwendwa for those sentiments. Very insightful.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards<div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 5 Jul 2016, at 10:44 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva <<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com" target="_blank">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Well, I have read the bill so that I cannot say "nilisomewa". It's quite short and I encourage everybody who is affected by it to read it.</div><div><br></div><div>Some preliminary issues on the Bill after reading it:</div><div>1. There is established an ICT Practitioners Institute</div><div>2. Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya nominates 5 people on the Board of the Institute. How many guys here are members of the ICT Association? Is it the bonafide body to represent all ICT practitioners in Kenya?</div><div>3. All ICT practitioners must be registered and licensed as ICT practitioners on payment of annual fees. <br></div><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">4. You must have a Diploma or Degree to qualify for registration as an ICT partitioner. Just think about Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. Non of them graduated from college, but they changed the world in their own small way.</div></div><div>5. You must have five years experience to practice ICT.</div><div>5. The example of Bill Gates and Zuckerberg is the best yet, of permission-less innovation </div><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" style="font-size:12.8px">6. A person shall not operate an ICT firm unless it is registered by the Institute and has paid annual membership.</div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" style="font-size:12.8px">7. A person shall not be entitled to recover a fee for ICT services, unless such person is licensed under this Act.</div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" style="font-size:12.8px">So my mechanic diagnoses my car using a computer, and does computerised wheel balancing. They may now be prepared to get licensed. </div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" style="font-size:12.8px">Well this bill affects all techies and consultants alike. The bill makes it illegal to practice your trade without being licensed. It's preposterous at best, morally criminal maybe. It locks out opportunities for the young passionate innovators who do wonders without ever stepping in college. ICT allows these young fellows permission-less innovation. They sit behind a computer and write beautiful code that changes the world. It is heart-aching that those who thrived in an open dynamic ICT environment in Kenya now want to lock up the industry as a preserve of the few. Washindwe kabisa.</div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" style="font-size:12.8px">Well, the constitutions allows enough consultation before any bill is passed in parliament. If you feel your interests are not taken care by the new bill, then now is the time to raise your voice or forever keep your cool. We will deliver our petition to the relevant offices.</div></div></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" style="font-size:12.8px">Peace.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">______________________<br>Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya<br><a href="http://twitter.com/lordmwesh" target="_blank">twitter.com/lordmwesh</a><br><br><br></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 July 2016 at 22:16, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Listers,<div><br></div><div>This is a google doc(<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lZ8m3WSH2JQSzTMBC8bkLRH8y2zzjyM9TzuUhGzOW0s/edit" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lZ8m3WSH2JQSzTMBC8bkLRH8y2zzjyM9TzuUhGzOW0s/edit</a>) that has been created by Nanjira(<a href="https://twitter.com/NiNanjira" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/NiNanjira</a>). Kindly fill it with all questions you have regarding the Bill.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks. </div><div><br></div><div><br><div>
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