<div dir="ltr">@Walu,<div><br></div><div>I hear about an ICT Body and I wonder, how exactly would this ever work if we can't even define what our ICT is?</div><div><br></div><div>Its like a body for Healthcare Industry... Impossible to have one. But we have Doctors , Pharmacists, Biologists, Genetics, Nurses Associations...</div><div><br></div><div>When you refer to IEEE, as an example, that's a body for Electrical & Electronics Engineers. There are clear cut professional studies and exams that you must undertake and pass respectively, for you to join. </div><div><br></div><div>You wouldn't find Mechanical, Civil, Architects in such a body as they have their respective associations.</div><div><br></div><div>But, guess what, in ICT you'll find Electrical, Electronics, Mechanical, Civil, Chemical Engineers, Material Scientists, Developers, Database Admins, Hackers, Web & Graphic Designers, Designers,Bloggers, PR guys, Facebookians, Snapchatians *all* under the label ICT.</div><div><br></div><div>Try regulating that under a single set of rules.</div><div><br></div><div>Rgds</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><span>@Alex, @Muthuri,</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Thnx for 'bursting' me @</span></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><blockquote type="cite"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html</a> </blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="ltr">It does seem the Internet does not forget :-)</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views. That the ICT professionals should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments. And that an Act of Parliament would go a long way in ensuring that such a voice is grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or future governments. </div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape it.</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">So there you have it :-)</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">walu.</div><div><br><br></div><div style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Dennis Muthuri <<a href="mailto:muthuridennis@gmail.com" target="_blank">muthuridennis@gmail.com</a>>; Alex Watila <<a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a>>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions<br> </font> </div> <div><br><div><div>Thanks Alex,<div><br clear="none"></div><div>I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the end of the day.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Regards<br clear="none"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:harry26001@gmail.com" target="_blank">harry26001@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none"><div><div>Hey Alex,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Harry<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><br clear="none">Walu, <br clear="none">Do you need to defend yourself? <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html</a> <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Regards, <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Alex <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-----Original Message----- <br clear="none">From: Alex Watila [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a>] <br clear="none">Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM <br clear="none">To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> <br clear="none">Cc: 'Harry' <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:harry26001@gmail.com" target="_blank">harry26001@gmail.com</a>>; 'Dennis Muthuri' <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:muthuridennis@gmail.com" target="_blank">muthuridennis@gmail.com</a>> <br clear="none">Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Dear All, <br clear="none">I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws." <br clear="none"><br clear="none">It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Regards, <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Alex <br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash</a> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-----Original Message----- <br clear="none">From: kictanet [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] On Behalf Of Harry via kictanet <br clear="none">Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM <br clear="none">To: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a> <br clear="none">Cc: Harry <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:harry26001@gmail.com" target="_blank">harry26001@gmail.com</a>>; Dennis Muthuri <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:muthuridennis@gmail.com" target="_blank">muthuridennis@gmail.com</a>> <br clear="none">Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Hey Dennis, <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Welcome on board..! <br clear="none"><br clear="none">The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.kitanet.or.ke/" target="_blank">www.kitanet.or.ke</a>, under the corresponding link headings. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'.. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Harry <br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote: <br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><br clear="none">Hi Hary, <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Thanks. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Dennis <br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><br clear="none">On 6 Jul 2016, at 10:33 AM, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a> wrote: <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions <br clear="none"></blockquote><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Dennis Muthuri Mburugu <br clear="none">Skype: dennis.muthuri | Tel: +(254)714590654 <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></blockquote>_______________________________________________ <br clear="none">kictanet mailing list <br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a> <br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a> <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Unsubscribe or change your options at <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awatila%40yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/awatila%40yahoo.co.uk</a> <br clear="none"><br clear="none">The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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