<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Listers</span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I know some discussions threads are going on about this but I thought to bring more focus to this issue by starting a thread with the appropriate subject line.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">1. Who was aware of this? </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">2. Who originated the Bill and how widely did they consult.</span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">3. How was the ICT professional body that gets to appoint Council members arrived at? (Council members dictate who can b registred/derigistered).</span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">4. Who exactly is an ICT practitioner...given that ICT is an ever evolving field with jobs of the future still being created.</span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">The floor is open.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><b>Principal</b></span></div><div><b style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Hussein & Associates</b></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font></font></span><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span></p><font><br></font></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div>"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br></div><div>Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 20:08:30 +0300</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Subject: Re: [kictanet] FW: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy<br>From: <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:wainaina@digitaltvafrica.com">wainaina@DigitalTVAfrica.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a><br><br><div>This brings up the question of the Computer Society of Kenya (CSK) led by Waudo Siganga.....versus the new ICTAK led by Kamotho Njenga / Selasio Kiura.</div><div><br></div><div>What was the criteria for picking which of these and any others will basically regulate the ICT "profession"?</div><div><br></div><div>------------</div><div>ICTAK</div><div><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;">"While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association?"</span><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>CSK<br></div>(on their website)<br><span style="color:rgb(45,46,46);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:25.8884px;text-align:justify;">"The Computer Society of Kenya is the recognized association for Information, Communication and Technology industries and professionals in Kenya, attracting large and active membership from all levels of the IT industry and providing a wide range of services to its 6,000 + members."</span><div><div style="text-align:justify;"><font color="#2d2e2e" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:25.8884px;"><br></span></font></div>On Tuesday, July 5, 2016, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div class="ecxgmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;">Interesting developments Alex. </div><div class="ecxgmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;">My initial reaction after reading the Bill is, questions questions questions: </div><div class="ecxgmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;">First of all, why would anyone conceive such an idea? To cure what problem? How will it better society as a whole? If indeed there was a problem to be addressed, couldn't the same have been dealt with in the policy process first? Assuming this Bill emanated from the Ministry, why would the Ministry undertake a policy review process and at the same time undertake a legal process to regulate the profession? And why is regulation of ICT professionals not even mentioned in the draft policy? We are always ready to engage and I am shocked to have learnt of the process so far in the day. Or did ICT professionals have a processes the outcome of which is this Bill? </div><div class="ecxgmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;"><br></div><div class="ecxgmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;">Speaking of a profession, what is the ICT profession? I see the Bill has attempted a definition at section 2 but isn't ICTs the most dynamic and cross cutting "profession" we have? Was there a study done to support such a disruptive regulation of the profession? Are there other countries that regulate their geeks this much? So what informed this legislation? </div><div class="ecxgmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;"><br></div><div class="ecxgmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;">Think of all the young people who eke a living from ICT related businesses. Why would anyone want to subject all these youth, together with those graduating from colleges and universities to one more hurdle before they can start working? Can't we leave it to the market to separate the very good practitioners from the average ones? </div><div class="ecxgmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;">I do not understand the Kenyan obsession with ever regulating professions. What I know is that it is expensive for parents to perpetually pay fees before their (overgrown) children can finally get employment. It is also an additional cost to businesses as they have to foot the cost of compliance for the various professionals they employ or outsource. </div><div class="ecxgmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;"><br></div><div class="ecxgmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;">Finally, what are our legislative priorities in this sector? I would have thought the Data Protection framework is more urgent and maybe a Cyber Security one. While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association? </div><div class="ecxgmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;"><br></div><div class="ecxgmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;">Regards, </div></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">2016-07-05 14:03 GMT+03:00 Alex Watila via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">FYI<br>
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</span>This could be a crushing blow to Kenya's ICT industry. If the USA had such a law then so many of their major ICT companies would never have happened. To name but 2, neither Steve Jobs nor Bill Gates gained any formal ICT qualifications, in fact neither of them passed a degree in anything. Several of the leading Linux kernel developers have no formal ICT training.<br>
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On 4 July 2016 at 14:04, Tony White <<a target="_blank">tony.mzungu@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ...and *this*:<br>
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> <a href="http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCo" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCo</a><br>
<div><div>> mmunicationTechnologyPractitioners_Bill_2016.pdf<br>
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> Which was introduced in the National Assembly last week, which will<br>
> rquire all ICT 'practitioners' to be licenced (annually!!) and<br>
> registered, with examination of qualifications, and ongoing<br>
> 'training'!!<br>
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> Phew!!<br>
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> Tony<br>
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> On 04/07/2016, Ibrahim Ng'eno <<a target="_blank">eebrah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Y'all have seen this[1], yes?<br>
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>> [1]<br>
>> <a href="http://www.information.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Draft-Nationa" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.information.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Draft-Nationa</a><br>
>> l-ICT-Policy-20June2016.pdf<br>
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