<div dir="ltr"><div>Quick one ; on the subject of data retention - can this be expounded with regards to duration, accessibility of retained data - how fast and also impact on budget for providers to meet the cost of retaining data. <br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div>All </div><div><br></div><div>In relation to this, I discovered today that a lot of the privacy issues are allegedly being violated by a certain global brand. </div><div><br></div><div><p style="margin:0px 0px 20px;padding:0px;line-height:28px;word-wrap:break-word"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Google, could have a record of everything you have said around it for years, and you can listen to it yourself.</span></p><p style="margin:0px 0px 20px;padding:0px;line-height:28px;word-wrap:break-word"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">The company quietly records many of the conversations that people have around its products.</span></p><p style="margin:0px 0px 20px;padding:0px;line-height:28px;word-wrap:break-word"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">The feature works as a way of letting people search with their voice, and storing those recordings presumably lets Google improve its language recognition tools as well as the results that it gives to people.</span></p><p style="margin:0px 0px 20px;padding:0px;line-height:28px;word-wrap:break-word"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Read on:-</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/google-voice-search-records-and-stores-conversation-people-have-around-their-phones-but-files-can-be-a7059376.html" target="_blank">http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/google-voice-search-records-and-stores-conversation-people-have-around-their-phones-but-files-can-be-a7059376.html</a></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt">In relation to this discussion we would love to have a comment from the Ministry and Google. </p><br><div><div><span><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><span><b>Principal</b></span></div><div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Hussein & Associates</b></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium">+254 0713 601113 / 0770906375</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><br></div><div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font></font></span><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span></p><font><br></font></div><div><span><br></span></div><div>"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi</div><div><span><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 30 Jun 2016, at 12:52 PM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div class="h5"><span>Great thanks Sam,</span><br><span></span><br><span>We will collate all the comments and forwad them to the Ministry.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Thank you</span><br><span></span><br><span>Best Regards</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 6/30/16, Sam Oduor <<a href="mailto:sam.oduor@gmail.com" target="_blank">sam.oduor@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi Barrack</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>A great comment has been posted on the Jadii Platform</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>June Tessy - a day ago Do we really need another 'specialized' agency yet</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>there are already existing units in Government and Regulators that are</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>mandated to deal with these like the National Intelligence Service, ICTA,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>CA Perhaps building onto the already existing units in terms of resources</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>and capacity may be more sustainable</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:29 AM, Barrack Otieno via kictanet <</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Listers,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Many thanks to those who contribued to day 6 discussions. The thread</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>is still open, we also encourage listers to edit the policy directly</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>on the Jadili platform</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>(<a href="http://jadili.ictpolicy.org/docs/kenya-ict-policy" target="_blank">http://jadili.ictpolicy.org/docs/kenya-ict-policy</a>).</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Today we focus on the following areas:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Online Citizen Safety,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Child Protection</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Privacy issues</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Security business transactions (Info-Security)</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>*Security & Reliability of Critical ICT infrastructure</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The Background:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The more we automate and rely on digital services, the more vulnerable</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>we become as a  society to cybercrime and other threats facing the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>digital society.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The regulator has a Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT), the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>industry (TESPOK) also has a CERT, the  Department  of Criminal</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Investigation & National Intelligence also have CERT. What is not</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>clear is whether  there is a framework to have these teams working</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>together and their capacity to counter a full-blown cyber attack</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>against our digital national assets.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Additionally, the tension between citizen privacy and national</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>security, citizen privacy and business (profit) concerns remain</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>perhaps due to lack of Data Protection, eTransaction and other laws.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Finally, special protection for vulnerable groups (children) going</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>online is non-existent.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>What needs to be done around these issues?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Kindly submit your views.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Best Regards</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>--</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Barrack O. Otieno</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>+254721325277</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>+254733206359</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Skype: barrack.otieno</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>PGP ID: 0x2611D86A</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>kictanet mailing list</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Unsubscribe or change your options at</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/sam.oduor%40gmail.com" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/sam.oduor%40gmail.com</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>development.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>bandwidth,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>--</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Samson Oduor</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-- </span><br><span>Barrack O. Otieno</span><br><span>+254721325277</span><br><span>+254733206359</span><br><span>Skype: barrack.otieno</span><br><span>PGP ID: 0x2611D86A</span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>kictanet mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a></s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KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Samson Oduor</div>
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