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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><font size="2" face="Tahoma, sans-serif"><font color="#000000">Waithaka when you say "we</font><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> need to build Kenya first as a globally recognized brand in technology leaderýship." Isn't one of the ways to do that through promoting our own .ke name space?</span></font><div><font size="2" face="Tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font size="2" face="Tahoma, sans-serif">As you rightfully pointed out the reason you may not have had much success with a .ke domain was because your audience is not familiar with .ke and was therefore hesitant to deal. But maybe the reason was simply because we are not known as a cloud hosting provider, when potential clients checked out .ke and it turned out to be Kenya, whom they had probably never heard of before they simply turned elsewhere.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font size="2" face="Tahoma, sans-serif">For businesses and orgs with local clientele our .ke works, so it all boils down to your audience, me thinks.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Tahoma, sans-serif"><br><br>
</font><font size="2" face="Tahoma, sans-serif">Thank
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<p style="color: black;"><a href="http://www.logicalcrest.co.ke" target="_blank"><font size="2" face="Tahoma, sans-serif">www.logicalcrest.co.ke</font></a><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;"> </span></p>
<p style="font-family:Tahoma;font-size:10.0pt;"><br></p><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 09:23:35 +0300<br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya cuts cost of acquiring .ke domain by a third<br>From: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<br>CC: ngigi@at.co.ke; kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<br>To: g.irungu@logicalcrest.co.ke<br><br> <div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">Listers,</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">I would like to put in my 2 Cents on this domain growth issue.</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">Where is the demand?</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">From personal experience, .KE domains as much as we'd like to love them are simply unknown from the larger global perspectiveý. And even for local firms, they come 2nd to .Com</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">We once ran our software business targeted at international clientele off our. KEý domain and there would be myriad questions about, where are you guys based, are you capable of hosting & running these services from Kenya (notwithstanding we were using AWS), are you guys in South Africa, are you?</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">At about the same time, .io (Indian Ocean) domain was launched and companies initially from these parts of the world rushed in and started registering. Companies globally also jumped in after. We also jumped in and registered our. io domain.... problem solved.</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">ýWhy? Coz no one questions a company potentially based in Singapore or India or Australia or Taiwan or China or New Zealand or South Africa or (name a technology leader in Indian Ocean)</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">We need to build Kenya first as a globally recognized brand in technology leaderýship. This in itself is a challenge, seeing we almost always push for quick wins as opposed to long-term & viable strategies.</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">I will put in my other contributions on this policy later on.</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">Regards</div> <div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div> <div style="font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">Waithaka Ngigi<br><br>Alliance Technologies<br>www.at.co.ke </div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(181, 196, 223);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in;font-family:Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro';font-size:10pt;"> <div><b>From: </b>Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Monday, June 27, 2016 11:37 PM</div><div><b>To: </b>Ngigi Waithaka</div><div><b>Reply To: </b>KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions</div><div><b>Cc: </b>Mwendwa Kivuva; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [kictanet] Kenya cuts cost of acquiring .ke domain by a third</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(186, 188, 209);border-top-width:1pt;font-size:initial;text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id="ecx_originalContent" style=""><div dir="ltr">Dr. Waudo,<div class="ecxgmail_extra">
<br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 27 June 2016 at 20:37, waudo siganga <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com" target="_blank">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">
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<div>Hi Mwendwa - maybe Collins was only using <a href="http://co.ke" target="_blank">co.ke</a> as an example, to ask the question whether it is possible to register second level rather than third-level domains on .ke because that could be a business idea????</div>
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<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(34,34,34);"></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think my explanation on IG issues has evolved to a level not easily comprehensible. We are talking the same thing here. That the namespace can be opened to accommodate registrations at the second level rather than sub domains. We may get an announcement soon on the same from the relevant bodies. But for that to happen, there must be proper stakeholder engagement. It cannot happen overnight. For example, a reservation period of say 4 years has to be put in place for all the current owners of any .ke domain to register their name first before anybody else takes them up. So I don't expect Collins to own <a href="http://google.ke" target="_blank">google.ke</a> at the expense of <a href="http://google.co.ke" target="_blank">google.co.ke</a>. So if there was a popular name you were dreaming of, you have no luck because the current owners are given first priority.</div><div><br></div><div>There is a misconception by the community that opening up the namespace to allow registration at the second level will push up number, or that it will give people more variety. Nothing can be further from the truth. My crystal ball (not the same as that of Makau Mutua) tells me that we will not achieve more than 10,000 after opening it up. And most of this will be domainers. South Africa have never opened up their .za namespace yet they still managed to get their domains to surpass the one million mark. We are still sub 100k.</div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra">I can see Ebele salivating at the possibility of registering Achike Adefolake Adeleke Adenike Fowoke Ibironke Oluwatoke ...</div><div class="ecxgmail_extra">KENIC should not rely on Nigeria or any other external source to push our numbers up. Nigeria with 180 million people has only managed a paltry 70k domains in the .ng. They don't have enough disposable income to push their numbers up, let alone ours. You see, there is a correlation of domain registrations with income per capita. See this simple statistics </div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><div class="ecxgmail_extra">de at 16million domains, population 81million people, per capita <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.32px;line-height:14.784px;background-color:rgb(249,249,249);">$47,033</span></div></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra">.uk at 10million domains, population 65million people, per capita <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.32px;line-height:14.784px;background-color:rgb(249,249,249);">$41,159</span></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra">.za at 1million domains, population 54 million people, per capita $13,165<br></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra">.ng at 70thousand domains, population180million people, per capita $<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.3px;line-height:21.28px;text-align:right;background-color:rgb(249,249,249);">6,108</span></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.3px;line-height:21.28px;text-align:right;background-color:rgb(249,249,249);">.ke at 58thousand domains, population 44million people, per capita $2,780</span></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.3px;line-height:21.28px;text-align:right;background-color:rgb(249,249,249);"><br></span></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.3px;line-height:21.28px;text-align:right;background-color:rgb(249,249,249);">My point is, the growth of the .ke namespace is not reliant on excuses that it's not open. Because when we shall open it, then we will start looking at the next scapegoat. Remember the number portability that we all asked to have? It's virtually dead.</span></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><font color="#000000" face="sans-serif" style="text-align:right;"><span style="font-size:13.3px;line-height:21.28px;"><br></span></font></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><font color="#000000" face="sans-serif" style="text-align:right;"><span style="font-size:13.3px;line-height:21.28px;">Sincerely</span></font><span style="text-align:right;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.3px;line-height:21.28px;background-color:rgb(249,249,249);">,</span></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.3px;line-height:21.28px;text-align:right;background-color:rgb(249,249,249);">Mwendwa Kivuva</span></div></div>
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