<div dir="ltr">This is still not an accurate representation of what was said...but close<div><br><div><img src="cid:ii_1537b469d37b75a8" alt="Inline image 1" width="526" height="295"><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Barack, from your analogy, are you calling for prosecution of those<br>
who don't follow the alleged CS directive?<br>
<br>
Back to the CS, We may need to get a clarification from him. He may<br>
actually have been misquoted. Remember this case where Google was<br>
enjoined in a case to provide the identity of a blogger? From the<br>
proceedings, Google adamantly refused to do so.<br>
<a href="http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Waiguru-sues-Google--Kenyan-website-for-defamation-/-/539546/2847522/-/cgpe57z/-/index.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Waiguru-sues-Google--Kenyan-website-for-defamation-/-/539546/2847522/-/cgpe57z/-/index.html</a><br>
<br>
Anne Waiguru v Google Inc & 2 others [2014] eKLR:<br>
<a href="http://kenyalaw.org/caselaw/cases/view/104246/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://kenyalaw.org/caselaw/cases/view/104246/</a><br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
On 15/03/2016, Barrack Otieno via kictanet<br>
<div><div class="h5"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hehe Wangari,<br>
><br>
> I apologize for using complicated terms (POTUS effect) , indeed as you<br>
> say, the Internet is a jungle. The best way to regulate a jungle is<br>
> through policy and technology as seen in modern day conservancies.<br>
><br>
> I will attempt to use animal farm analogy ;-)<br>
><br>
> The other way is to have a fence around the jungle (use of<br>
> technology). You can electrify it to make trespassers feel good when<br>
> they touch it, that way they pay attention to the fence. Normally when<br>
> an elephant touches electric fence it is possible to pinpoint where<br>
> that happened, hence technology becomes both a detterent based on the<br>
> feeling the animal gets when it touches the fence and a guide on the<br>
> bounderies of the jungle as well as a source of information to the<br>
> wardens on possible scenes of crime.<br>
><br>
> I hope this makes sense<br>
><br>
> On 3/15/16, WANGARI KABIRU via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>> Greetings Barrack,<br>
>><br>
>> Can the internet justify its being "driven by trust"?<br>
>><br>
>> Let us take banking which in the last week has tried to convince Kenyans<br>
>> not<br>
>> to run react, that all banks are not falling in Kenya or pulling out of<br>
>> Kenya through the Kenya Bankers Association adverts.<br>
>> This is a coordinated effort by the players to have a system that builds<br>
>> relative trust (note the word relative). Secondly banks operate in a<br>
>> similar<br>
>> way - central clearing house which gives the government a point to<br>
>> reference<br>
>> with on that is happening in the industry even if there may still be slip<br>
>> ups and covert activities such as money laundering<br>
>><br>
>> The internet appears to the rule of the jungle. Even more the Government<br>
>> itself seems to have no point to have "real" control or coordination.The<br>
>> creators seem to have this control.<br>
>> Perhaps this should've been done when the internet was invented.<br>
>><br>
>> Again this also takes us to the question, who owns the internet? Because<br>
>> they would have all the answers - from control, access, coordination<br>
>> which<br>
>> is a role that Governments play in most if not all sectors.Or is the<br>
>> Government to redefine its role where the internet is concerned?<br>
>><br>
>> PS: Na Barrack ukitumia majina makubwa makubwa like Social Engineering -<br>
>> you<br>
>> explain.<br>
>><br>
>> Blessed day.<br>
>><br>
>> Regards/Wangari<br>
>><br>
>> ---<br>
>> Pray God Bless. 2013Wangari circa - "Being of the Light, We are Restored<br>
>> Through Faith in Mind, Body and Spirit; We Manifest The Kingdom of God on<br>
>> Earth".<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --------------------------------------------<br>
>> On Tue, 15/3/16, Barrack Otieno via kictanet<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] To be or not to be a pseudonymous blogger<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:wangarikabiru@yahoo.co.uk">wangarikabiru@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>
>> Cc: "Barrack Otieno" <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>>, "Nanjira Sambuli"<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:nanjira@ihub.co.ke">nanjira@ihub.co.ke</a>><br>
>> Date: Tuesday, 15 March, 2016, 13:49<br>
>><br>
>> Many thanks Ebele,<br>
>><br>
>> I agree with Nanjira's<br>
>> postulation. Whereas Cabinet Secretary<br>
>> Mucheru's view point may be justified to a<br>
>> certain extent, it wouldn't<br>
>> be prudent<br>
>> since it will curtail the growth and developement of the<br>
>> Internet which has partly been driven by trust.<br>
>> My humble opinion is<br>
>> that if we take care of<br>
>> the Infrastructure issues such as natting, we<br>
>> don't need to worry about Pseudonym's.<br>
>> One way would be to encourage<br>
>> adoption of IP<br>
>> V 6 which avails an Internet Protocol address for every<br>
>> device which would in turn make it easy to<br>
>> trace sources of<br>
>> information. The government<br>
>> could also adopt an approach of educate<br>
>> users through Social Engineering. This is my<br>
>> opinion but i stand to be<br>
>> corrected.<br>
>><br>
>> Best Regards<br>
>><br>
>> On 3/15/16, Ebele Okobi via<br>
>> kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> > Just a clarification-<br>
>> > Facebook absolutely agrees that there<br>
>> should be spaces on the Internet where<br>
>> ><br>
>> people can share anonymously, including some of our own<br>
>> properties, like<br>
>> > Instagram. That said,<br>
>> Facebook itself is a space where community and trust<br>
>> > depend upon people being able to connect<br>
>> with people they know, so Facebook<br>
>> ><br>
>> community standards require people to use names they are<br>
>> known to use in<br>
>> > "real"<br>
>> life.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > We do not<br>
>> proactively moderate for this, but fake accounts are<br>
>> definitely<br>
>> > taken down if and when they<br>
>> are reported to us, and we include mechanisms<br>
>> > for reporting fake names or accounts<br>
>> directly in the platform so that anyone<br>
>> ><br>
>> on Facebook, whether or not the reporting person has an<br>
>> account, can<br>
>> > report.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Screen shot of report<br>
>> flow pasted below-<br>
>> > [image1.PNG]<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Ebele Okobi | Head of<br>
>> Public Policy, Africa<br>
>> > m. +44 (0) 771<br>
>> 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315><br>
>> > 10 Brock Street |<br>
>> London<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> | NW1 3FG<br>
>> > <a href="mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com">ebeleokobi@fb.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com">ebeleokobi@fb.com</a>><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> [6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B]<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Mar 15, 2016, at<br>
>> 9:27 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet<br>
>> ><br>
>> <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>><br>
>> > wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > To me, such a move would be in direct<br>
>> contravention of article 31 (d) of the<br>
>> ><br>
>> Constitution.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> Given that blogging in Kenya is taken to mean anyone with a<br>
>> social media<br>
>> > account expressing their<br>
>> opinions, I think it's a slippery slope. Facebook<br>
>> > tried to enforce a real name policy, I<br>
>> believe so did Google, and that<br>
>> ><br>
>> didn't bode well.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > While I see why the government would want<br>
>> to take that approach (and could<br>
>> > be<br>
>> argued with s 33(2)..), it is worrisome. And "clamping<br>
>> down" is a<br>
>> > militant choice of<br>
>> words...<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Regards,<br>
>> > Nanjira.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Sent from my<br>
>> iPhone.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 15 Mar<br>
>> 2016, at 02:33,<br>
>> ><br>
>> <a href="mailto:kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
>> > wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > To be or not to be a pseudonymous<br>
>> blogger<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
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