<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div></div><div>My view is simply do we all even understand what we are discussing here? My firm belief here is that we do not even understand what our local market requirements are and therefore the debate.</div><div>All have to recognise there is s cost of running the network properly and this cost will be shared by the players who use this network yo provide services to the various provider.</div><div><br></div><div>There needs to be an informed discussion..</div><div><br>On 27 Feb 2016, at 19:47, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I often wonder...</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Would we make the choices we are making about Net Neutrality if we had never used the Internet before?</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Aren't we making these choices from the PoV of the privileged few in Africa who have constant access to the Net to a point where we taking it for granted?</div> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Is it not similiar to say someone contributing maize to a hungry family in Kenya and then someone insisting that unless it's a full balanced diet, there can be no contribution.</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Or is the issue the contributors? The fact that they are commercial firms. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">We have had Wikipedia free on Airtel for awhile, yet nothing much about Net Neutrality has been said....</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">This thing is quite a mind twister...</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div> <div style="font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Waithaka Ngigi<br><br>Alliance Technologies<br><a href="http://www.at.co.ke">www.at.co.ke</a> </div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;"> <div><b>From: </b>Ali Hussein via kictanet</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, February 27, 2016 12:19 PM</div><div><b>To: </b>Ngigi Waithaka</div><div><b>Reply To: </b>KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions</div><div><b>Cc: </b>Ali Hussein; Nanjira Sambuli; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [kictanet] Net neutrality 'first world' problem?</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(186, 188, 209); border-top-width: 1pt; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id="_originalContent" style=""><p dir="ltr">Good analogy Kivuva.</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 27, 2016 11:59 AM, "Mwendwa Kivuva" <<a href="mailto:lordmwesh@gmail.com">lordmwesh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Let us debate on the notion of "bread" 🍞 alone.</p>
<p dir="ltr">We all know lack of a balanced diet brings kwashiorkor. And it brings stunted growth too. Forget zika virus, normal children in Africa get smaller brains because of the stunted growth. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Take that analogy and compare it to the malnutritioned internet being paraded around. Out children too will develop intellectual Kwashiorkor</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 27, 2016 10:17 AM, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Ebele</p>
<p dir="ltr">It has to do with the issue of Third Party Liability.</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 27, 2016 10:01 AM, "Ebele Okobi" <<a href="mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com" target="_blank">ebeleokobi@fb.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I'm curious-what does the KFCB demand that Google censor content have to do with net neutrality?<br>
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On Feb 27, 2016, at 5:32 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>The CS is definitely entitled to his opinion. Like all of us. My concern is of course that his opinion can be construed to be Government Policy. And Net Neutrality cannot be distilled in such a simplistic way. </div>
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<div>I think it's high time this country and the rest of Africa have a deep conversation about what Net Neutrality means for us.</div>
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<div>Take for example the issue of KFCB the other day when the CEO announced that they have asked Google to take down the 'offending' video of same sex marriage/love endorsement. </div>
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<div>I was astounded that the whole discussion degenerated to the issue of homosexuality!! </div>
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<div>My questions and concerns were quite clear and they alluded to our total lack of policy regarding Net Neutrality. And address in an ICT Forum.</div>
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<div>KFCB used the right tools to ask for the video take down. The same tools have been used by other governments. </div>
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<div>With all due respect to the CS but I think he needs to be careful not to simplify this important matter. Let's discuss it fully and come up with our own Net Neutrality version. This definitely doesn't include abdicating our responsibilities
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On 27 Feb 2016, at 8:08 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
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<span>It might be in order to write a letter to him explaining why it is not a first world problem.
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