<div dir="ltr">Mwendwa,<div><br></div><div>I get and understand your PoV.</div><div><br></div><div>But, the other side of the coin is that there are those who are also misusing the same laws, just as the state is misusing the same laws, to spread the same fear.</div><div><br></div><div>Organisations such as BAKE should cut both ways when dealing with misuse of the laws.</div><div><br></div><div>Rgds</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Yes GG,<br>
<br>
And the constitution actually states those limitations in Chapter 4 of<br>
the constitution, article 24, and 33, and there are many other<br>
legislation which seek to balance these rights.<br>
<br>
But we should be very careful not to play into the hands of those who<br>
want to limit our rights further. States all over are very good in<br>
timing. They make legislation to the law to limit fundamental freedoms<br>
when people are scared. Like currently, we are a very scared society,<br>
and may want to trade off our rights for a sense of security. But if<br>
we do that, it will only be an illusion.<br>
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On 26/01/2016, Grace Githaiga via kictanet<br>
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> @AliDoes free speech eliminate consequences? And considering that online<br>
<span class="">> platforms are contested spaces with multiple users, do we need to find a<br>
> balance? #Just asking.<br>
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</span><span class="">> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:39:44 +0300<br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] BAKE condemns the arrest and intimidation of<br>
> Kenyans online<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
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> Hi Ali,<br>
> No I don't mean to support any harassment, I was simply urging BAKE to<br>
> encourage responsible blogging. This I believe would be good for all<br>
> bloggers.<br>
> Best, Muthoni<br>
> Dorcas<br>
> With all due respect.<br>
> That sort of blanket condemnation of bloggers is music to the ears of the<br>
> reactionaries in government. Granted, there are some bad apples. These bad<br>
> apples sort of remind us of the 'Mad Men' in our villages of yesteryears.<br>
> How did we used to deal with them? Just because we disagree with someone<br>
> doesn't mean we harass them and throw them in jail? We need to be careful we<br>
> don't slide back to the bad old days of Kanu.<br>
> Let the law be specific enough to ensure it is not misused to muzzle free<br>
> speech and association.Ali<br>
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> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Dorcas Muthoni via kictanet<br>
> <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
> But the government has a role in this. I don't know if it's been done in the<br>
> right way. But we have some very irresponsible bloggers out there. I think<br>
> you also know them as BAKE. Can you please tell us how you are dealing with<br>
> such bloggers.<br>
> On Jan 25, 2016 11:36 AM, "Jane Muthoni via kictanet"<br>
> <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hello,<br>
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> This is a statement BAKE has released on the recent arrest and prosecution<br>
> of Kenyans online. Read more here:<br>
> <a href="http://www.blog.bake.co.ke/2016/01/24/bake-condemns-the-arrest-and-intimidation-of-kenyans-online/----" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.blog.bake.co.ke/2016/01/24/bake-condemns-the-arrest-and-intimidation-of-kenyans-online/----</a><br>
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> Kind regards,<br>
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> Jane Muthoni | Administration Manager, Bloggers Association of Kenya (BAKE)<br>
><br>
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