<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Ali and all, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I understand that these are regulations (subsidiary legislation) meaning that they are just meant to make implementation of the main law (KICA) smoother. According to the provisions of the Statutory Instruments Act, the same will still go to Bunge for scrutiny. That said, it is more useful to have wide consultations before the Regulations are finalised. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I admit that I did not have enough time to go through all the regulations after the message was posted here. I join in asking the Regulator to consider the following so as to make the process more meaningful: </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">a) Have a stakeholder's forum (even online) to take stakeholders through the rationale for the Regulations. I believe this forum has many people who are interested in critiquing the Regulations from an informed point of view. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">b) Give stakeholders a bit more time to consider and give input to the Regulations, say a least two -three weeks in January</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">c) Publish the Regulations with incorporated amendments (if any) before taking them to Parliament for scrutiny </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Regards, <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-12-30 16:01 GMT+03:00 Kipkemoi Kiptum via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="auto" lang="en-US" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:initial"> <div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Ali,</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">It's a trend that's currently happening across the board where the most extreme version of the laws becomes *default* and it's only watered down after protests and legal suits.</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Very unfortunate.</div><span> <div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div> <div style="font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Waithaka Ngigi<br><br>Alliance Technologies<br><a href="http://www.at.co.ke" target="_blank">www.at.co.ke</a> </div> </span><table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> <div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in;font-family:Tahoma,'BB Alpha Sans','Slate Pro';font-size:10pt"> <div><b>From: </b>Ali Hussein</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:08 PM</div><span><div><b>To: </b>KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions</div></span><div><b>Cc: </b>Waithaka Ngigi</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [kictanet] Cyber Bill</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(186,188,209);border-top-width:1pt;font-size:initial;text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></div><br><div><div>Waithaka</div><div><br></div><div>You raise critical issues. My sense is that before any law or amendment is drafted for 'public debate' (more on this in a minute) shouldn't the constitutional threshold first be met? </div><div><br></div><div>Shouldn't the drafters of these laws and amendments exhibit utmost good faith in relation to the constitution? There is a lot in these drafts that in my humble opinion just do not meet this threshold. </div><div><br></div><div>On the issue of public debate/comments I have hit fatigue levels for one simple reason.</div><div><br></div><div><b>The lack of transparency in the very process of public comments.</b><br><br>Is there someone on this list who can educate us on this process? My questions:-</div><div><br></div><div>1. What happens after the comments/debate period expires?</div><div>2. Are people's comments incorporated? </div><div>3. Do we receive any feedback regarding our comments?</div><div><br></div><div>Please educate us on this. </div><div><br></div><div>The WCIT12 issue is still fresh in some of our minds. The community was engaged vigorously by the previous regime headed by then Minister Poghisio and his PS, Dr. Ndemo. I was in the Kenya Delegation when Dr. Ndemo declined to sign the new treaty due to major issues of contention one of which was Net Neutrality. </div><div><br></div><div>Enter the new regime and we now hear the treaty was later signed by Kenya. No explanation given. No announcement. Zilch. </div><div><br></div><div>For the community to feel that their views are being taken into account there needs to be transparency on how these comments/debates at incorporated and decisions made even before they hit parliament for debate. </div><div><br></div><div>My two cents.</div><div style="text-align:start"><br></div><div><div><div><span><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><span><b>Principal</b></span></div><div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Hussein & Associates</b></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><a href="tel:%2B254%200713%20601113" value="+254713601113" target="_blank">+254 0713 601113</a> / <a href="tel:0770906375" value="+254770906375" target="_blank">0770906375</a></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><br></div><div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font></font></span><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:none"></span></a></span></p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font></font></span><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"></p><font><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Blog: <a href="http://www.alyhussein.com/" target="_blank">www.alyhussein.com</a></span><br></font></div><div><span><br></span></div><div>"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi</div><div><span><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div></div><div><br>On 30 Dec 2015, at 10:49 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div> <div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Just wondering,</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">While at it, why not just get the Red Star OS from North Korea and make it the mandatory OS in Kenya?</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">It is the *constitutional* right of every Kenyan Citizen to PRIVACY which can only be lifted through a very well detailed legal process.</div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">No act of parliament should attempt mass-collection of private data from Kenyan citizens under the guise of fighting Cyber crimes.</div> <div style="width:100%;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br style="display:initial"></div> <div style="font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Waithaka Ngigi<br><br>Alliance Technologies<br><a href="http://www.at.co.ke" target="_blank">www.at.co.ke</a> </div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size:initial;text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> <div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in;font-family:Tahoma,'BB Alpha Sans','Slate Pro';font-size:10pt"> <div><b>From: </b>Josiah Mugambi via kictanet</div><div><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, December 30, 2015 10:07 AM</div><div><b>To: </b>Ngigi Waithaka</div><div><b>Reply To: </b>KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions</div><div><b>Cc: </b>Josiah Mugambi</div><div><b>Subject: </b>[kictanet] Cyber Bill</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(186,188,209);border-top-width:1pt;font-size:initial;text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></div><br><div><p dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/article/2000186538/new-law-tightens-noose-on-online-hackers" target="_blank">http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/article/2000186538/new-law-tightens-noose-on-online-hackers</a></p>
<p dir="ltr">Quite the uproar judging by the comments online.</p>
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