<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_39255"><span>@Anderson <br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_39421"><br><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_39423"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_39422">I may not agree with your assertion on the traceable of the currency. the users can trace and track their transaction more clearly and openly than the paper money transactions that have great attention in trade. the difference that people fail to und3erstand is that they are crypto currencies and that only if you are in it then can you argue as you say. in simple terms they are a hidden currency and that only two persons can trade a bitcoin rather than the third party. these leaves the "wanna be" third party left out and remains clueless, hence the argument that they cannot be traced.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_40078"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_39422">I agree with you that in future the currency should give room for third party. i.e a regulatory body in these case. these will help to foster trust for its use in the economy.<br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_40075"><br><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_39422"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_40076"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_39422">regards</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_40270" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_39422">meshack</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:51 AM, meshack emakunat <memakunat@yahoo.com> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv0920318913"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px;"><div id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_27546">FYI</div><div id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_27549"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_29122">bitcoins are tradeable as a market commodity in the even in the US</div><img class="yiv0920318913ymail-preserve-class yiv0920318913inline-image-guid-99798209-1d8c-ac55-0f3c-3ac34b847d96 yiv0920318913rte-inline-saved-image" id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_29226" src="cid:640b8c88-b09c-a83e-3f16-2cc54615ed6c@yahoo.com" alt="Inline image" style="width:100%;max-width:736px;max-height:522px;"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_27513"><span></span></div> <div class="yiv0920318913qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0920318913yqt8785889886" id="yiv0920318913yqt41125"><div class="yiv0920318913yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:47 AM, meshack emakunat <memakunat@yahoo.com> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv0920318913y_msg_container"><div id="yiv0920318913"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px;"><div id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_26468">@Watila Alex</div><div id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_26467"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_26466">I think crypto currencies are the most traceable commodity. there only limitation on the matter is the fact that users can use pseudo names to perform transactions</div><div id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_26477"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_26508">regards Meshack<br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0920318913yqt8141834842" id="yiv0920318913yqt05282"><div id="yiv0920318913"><div id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_25886"><div id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_25885" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px;"><div id="yiv0920318913"><div id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_10855"><div id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_10854" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px;"><br clear="none"><div><span></span></div> <div class="yiv0920318913qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_10856"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_25884"> <div id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_25883" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:10px;"> <div id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_25882" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv0920318913qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_25881"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv0920318913yqt1818959276" id="yiv0920318913yqt35787"><div class="yiv0920318913yqt5176347983" id="yiv0920318913yqt57264"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_26326"><font id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_26325" size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday, December 17, 2015 5:54 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv0920318913y_msg_container" id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_25889"><div id="yiv0920318913"><div id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_25888"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_25887"><br clear="none">
On Dec 15, 2015 11:07 AM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_26507" ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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> Very dicey...<br clear="none">
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> Let's see... What is MPesa? It's a Virtual Currency that has a 1:1 Mapping with the Kenya Shilling. That's why when I send you MPesa, you don't receive a legal tender, but you know you can convert it to KES at a rate of 1:1 minus the small charges.</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_25890">Mpesa is backed by equivalent shillings deposited to reflect the actual amount in your mpesa account. Let us call mpesa a bank account, because that is what it is. Is your bank balance a legal tender?</div>
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> What is Paypal? a Virtual Currency that has a 1:1 mapping with say USD</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_26510">PayPal too is an account that reflects real money controlled by a central bank earned by offering goods or services.</div>
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> What is BitCoin? A Virtual Currency that has a *fluctuating* mapping with other currencies e.g 1:130 with USD.<br clear="none">
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> If I take the risk that BitCoin might fluctuate, a risk we also take when we get paid in USD / Euros etc when in Kenya, why should it be illegal?<br clear="none">
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> Its just a Virtual Currency, one of many....</div>
<div dir="ltr">This is where the analogy gets wrong. Mpesa and PayPal are real cash deposited into an account. The cash is controlled by a central bank depending on the currency.</div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yiv0920318913yui_3_16_0_1_1450329564164_25891">Bitcoin on the other hand is a digital currency that is created and held electronically without an equivalent hard currency cash deposit, unlike the ordinary legal tender, and is not a government-backed unit. Bitcoins are created as a reward for payment processing work in which users offer their computing power to verify and record payments into a public ledger. This activity is called mining and miners are rewarded with transaction fees and newly created bitcoins. A good analogy is the virtual coins you get as a reward when you play computer games like Temple Run. Although bitcouns are obtained by mining, bitcoins can be exchanged for other currencies, products, and services. A better analogy is the way I can sell my mangoes and apples, and IT skills for $$$.</div>
<div dir="ltr">All that said, we should accept that bitcoin can provide legitimate financial services.</div>
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> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Josiah Mugambi via kictanet <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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>> CBK has taken a stand:<br clear="none">
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>> The attention of the Central Bank of Kenya (CBK) has been drawn to media reports<br clear="none">
>> on the use, holding and trading of virtual currencies such as Bitcoin in Kenya.<br clear="none">
>> Bitcoin is a form of un-regulated digital currency that is not issued or guaranteed by<br clear="none">
>> any government or central bank. Domestic and international money transfer<br clear="none">
>> services in Kenya are regulated by the Central Bank of Kenya Act and other<br clear="none">
>> legislation. In this regard, no entity is currently licensed to offer money remittance<br clear="none">
>> services and products in Kenya using virtual currency such as Bitcoin.<br clear="none">
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>> This is to inform the public that virtual currencies such as Bitcoin are not legal<br clear="none">
>> tender in Kenya and therefore no protection exists in the event that the platform that<br clear="none">
>> exchanges or holds the virtual currency fails or goes out of business. Some of the<br clear="none">
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>> Transactions in virtual currencies such as bitcoin are largely untraceable and<br clear="none">
>> anonymous making them susceptible to abuse by criminals in money laundering<br clear="none">
>> and financing of terrorism.<br clear="none">
>> Virtual currencies are traded in exchange platforms that tend to be unregulated<br clear="none">
>> all over the world. Consumers may therefore lose their money without having<br clear="none">
>> any legal redress in the event these exchanges collapse or close business.<br clear="none">
>> There is no underlying or backing of assets and the value of virtual currencies is<br clear="none">
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>> CBK reiterates that Bitcoin and similar products are not legal tender nor are they<br clear="none">
>> regulated in Kenya. The public should therefore desist from transacting in Bitcoin<br clear="none">
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