<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_82770">@Baudouin,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_82770"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_82770"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_83130">I would think its a cultural challenge. Locally, very little premium is put on research. </span>Sorry, let me rephrase, very little (public) decisions are based on research in Kenya and generally in sub-saharan africa.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_82770"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_82770"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_83634">Dont get me wrong, we do have serious research outfits and capabilities in Africa..and in Kenya examples are (Coffee Research, KEMRI, ILRI, KENET, IEA, KEFRI, UoN-HIV/Aids research..the list is endless). But guess what, who uses (values) their research output? Foreign governments. Guess because they fund most of the research projects within these entities.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_82770"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_82770"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_84240">So locally we have low value for research output, and subsequently lack the institutional culture, trust and relationships that are necessary to effectively execute public policy research (without foreign support). </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_82770"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_82770" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_85945">This is might change though if the <a class="edited-link-editor" href="http://www.nacosti.go.ke/" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_86186">NACOSTI</a> is anything to go by.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_82770"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_82770"><span>walu.</span></div><br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_83258"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_83257"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_83256"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_83255"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_83261"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Baudouin Schombe <baudouin.schombe@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Mose Karanja <mosekaranja@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, December 5, 2015 12:50 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] Net Neutrality Debate Observation<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_84960"><br><div id="yiv5426271586"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_84964"><span id="yiv5426271586result_box" class="yiv5426271586" lang="en"><span class="yiv5426271586" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_84978">Based on your</span> <span class="yiv5426271586">observation</span></span><span lang="en" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_84963"><span></span><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_84962">, how</span> <span>can we consider</span> <span>such an attitude</span><span>?</span> <span>Is</span> <span>a crisis of confidence</span><span>?</span> <span>or</span> <span>mistrust</span><span>?</span> <span>If so, why</span><span>?</span> <span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_84968">and if not</span> <span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_84966">why?</span></span></div><div class="yiv5426271586gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_84970"><br><div class="yiv5426271586gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449121806935_84972">2015-12-05 8:41 GMT+01:00 Walubengo J via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="yiv5426271586gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><span>@Karanja,</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>You are very right about little LOCAL research on this issue. </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>However, I want to say that the local researchers exist, but the local players are VERY hesitant to engage. For example, 6weeks ago, I wrote to all the local actors (Operators, Content Providers, Regulators, etc) around these issues and I regret to say that ONLY one operator (Safaricom) and the regulator (CA) cared to respond.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr">It then becomes extremely difficult to counter foreign supplied data with 'local' data - that is not accessible because the data owners are not responsive. Ironically, if these data was requested by multinational researchers say from Mcainsey, they are likely to be treated better.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Until and unless we start believing and trusting our own researchers, Africa will remain in awe of foreign data and research. We must explore ways that would enable operators, content providers and others to open up to local researchers - rather than just to foreign researchers.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">walu.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Mose Karanja via kictanet <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Mose Karanja <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:mosekaranja@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:mosekaranja@gmail.com">mosekaranja@gmail.com</a>><br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 4, 2015 4:13 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [kictanet] Net Neutrality Debate Observations<br> </font> </div> <div><br><div><div>
<div><b>The NetNeutrality
Debate in Kenya</b></div><div>I have been keenly following the debate on NetNeutrality
globally and especially the Kenyan one. </div><div>The events of the last three weeks kicking off at the Internet
governance Forum in Brazil and the KICTANet mailing list debate have been key and it is clear to me:</div><div>
<div></div><ol><li>There is a huge gulf between research numbers
presented in defence or opposition towards Free Basics/<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://internet.org/">Internet.org</a> in the
developing world.</li><li>There is a limiting simplistic targeting of Facebook as the force of
evil in this debate. </li></ol><div></div><div>In
the period after the IGF, discussions in Kenya and publications have moved more towards
Facebook’s Free Basics; some objective and critical, some clearly as general
attacks on Facebook as a company and Free Basics as a product. It was
absolutely great for Grace Githaiga to bring the Facebook Policy team in to
ensure official positions are clarified and the members’ questions would be
answered.</div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px;"><div><br></div></blockquote><div style="margin-left:0cm;"><b>My
observations</b></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px;"><div>1.<span style="font-size:7pt;">
</span>The Net Neutrality debate we are having is quite
limited. The focus on Free Basics is very much in order and I hope this kind of
energy can go to other contentious NN issues like <b>protocol and peering discrimination</b> (like when Zuku caps your
download speeds when you are downloading Game of Thrones from Pirate Sites or
when streaming live matches) and <b>IP
discrimination</b> (when coffee joints, universities or organizations block
specific websites like YouTube, Facebook under the guise of productivity,
obscenity or heavy-traffic balance). These are top-of the head examples. </div><div>2.<span style="font-size:7pt;">
</span>Our Kenyan primary research on this area is a
sham! I am saying this as a researcher myself at Strathmore Law School. That is
why we cannot push back on the numbers and data presented to us. Mozilla, Facebook, Stanford Uni all presented
some data. We have some opinion polls here and there but no substantive work
has been done locally. I ask all of us to get our hands dirty and get the data
out from the users in our country so we can have a solid case in these
debates. We have a huge task ahead of us
if we are to step into the global table of serious discussion. I cringed to
hear an African participant at the IGF say that Africans should be included in
the table discussing NN and issues affecting Africa and Internet. This is
someone who had flown over 10,000 miles to Brazil yet claimed Africans (the
generality) should be included in the discussion. I don’t think nobody ever
blocked someone off from participating in the pre-IGF events and surely,
playing that racism/underdeveloped/Africa/Poverty card is so lame. Unless we conduct our research, we will
continue being consumers of knowledge, or whatever is presented as such. </div><div>3.<span style="font-size:7pt;">
</span>The organizations which deal directly with
masses of end user are critical in giving feedback to the listers: ElimuTv for
example is a good case. Most listers here are trapped in the {Nairobi-global
capitals’ conferences} and would profit from first hand experiences from the
counties. </div><div>4.<span style="font-size:7pt;">
</span>In <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.msu.edu/~bauerj/papers/bauer-obar-netneutrality-tis-2014.pdf">Reconciling
political and economic goals in the net neutrality debate</a> (PDF), the authors argue convincingly for combining instruments towards an open
Internet that upholds Net Neutrailty. As it has always been clear, access to
the Internet is not a simple technological issue that can fixed just by adding
more tech to the problem. One more cable won’t solve the access problem. Definitely
the tech is core but freedom of speech, economic independence, language issues
and political participation at the local level matter as much. </div></blockquote><div>CIPIT (at Strathmore) looks forward to partnering with all those who are
interested in this topic in conducting primary research, forums and policy making.
Blatant attack on Facebook or Google or Apple or whatever as a company is very
easy. Anyone can do it. However, serious matters like this need our critical energies
to offer credible alternatives to connect our people to the Internet.</div><div><br></div><div>TL: DR: No, just read :)</div>
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Re: Introducing Facebook Africa Public Policy Team to</span><br style="font-family:sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline;"> KICTANet (waudo siganga)</span><br style="font-family:sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><br style="font-family:sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><div style="font-family:sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;margin:0px;"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,;color:rgb(127,127,127);"><b>From:<span> </span></b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,;">waudo siganga <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com">emailsignet@mailcan.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="font-family:sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;margin:0px;"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,;color:rgb(127,127,127);"><b>Subject:<span> </span></b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,;"><b>Re: [kictanet] Introducing Facebook Africa Public Policy Team to KICTANet</b><br></span></div><div style="font-family:sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;margin:0px;"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,;color:rgb(127,127,127);"><b>Date:<span> </span></b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,;">December 4, 2015 at 3:25:46 PM EAT<br></span></div><div style="font-family:sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;margin:0px;"><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,;color:rgb(127,127,127);"><b>To:<span> </span></b></span><span style="font-family:-webkit-system-font,;">KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br></span></div><br style="font-family:sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><br style="font-family:sans-serif;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;"><div dir="ltr" style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-family:Arial;font-size:inherit;"><div><div><div>This looks useful. Kivuva/Hussein please comment. Looks like schools can be able to access useful content without what the Bamba people call "kunyanyaswa na kukatwakatwa kila mwezi"</div><div> </div><div>On Fri, Dec 4, 2015, at 02:46 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px;border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(20,79,174);padding-left:1em;"><div><div>That’s fantastic-education content is some of the most sought after for Free Basics.</div><div>A couple of things-</div><div>Can you please have your team take a look at Platform, and the technical specifications, here? <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://developers.facebook.com/docs/internet-org/platform-technical-guidelines">https://developers.facebook.com/docs/internet-org/platform-technical-guidelines</a></div><div>Then they can submit, here: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://developers.facebook.com/docs/internet-org">https://developers.facebook.com/docs/internet-org</a></div><div> </div><div>I will also connect you directly with our EMEA content lead!</div><div>Thanks so much for writing, and for the work that you do.</div><div>Best, Ebele</div><div> </div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);"><6F096681-9A34-452C-A5CD-1D0E4C64A463[1].png></span></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"> </div><div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri;color:rgb(31,73,125);">Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa</span></div><div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri;color:rgb(31,73,125);">m. <a rel="nofollow" href="">+44 (0) 771 156 1315</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri;color:rgb(31,73,125);">2 Stephen St | London | W1T 1AN</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri;color:rgb(31,73,125);"></span></div><div> <br></div><div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri;color:rgb(31,73,125);"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com">ebeleokobi@fb.com</a></span><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);"></span></div> <div> </div></div></div><div> </div><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);"><span><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:<span> </span></span>Network of non- formal Educational institutions <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nnfeischools@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:nnfeischools@yahoo.com">nnfeischools@yahoo.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Date:<span> </span></span>Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:17 AM<br><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:<span> </span></span>KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:<span> </span></span>Ebele Okobi <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com">ebeleokobi@fb.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:<span> </span></span>Re: [kictanet] Introducing Facebook Africa Public Policy Team to KICTANet</span></div><div> </div><div><div><span>Good morning to all<span> </span></span><div><span>Facebook has made a positive move towards helping the poor communities</span></div><div><span>We offer secondary education on TV and use Facebook to push some videos and interaction. However a good number of our student have said they are not on Facebook because they can not afford internet</span></div><div><span>We would wish to be included in the program. How do we go about it</span></div><div> </div><div><span>Jane Muthiga</span></div><div><span>Director Elimu TV</span></div><div><span>07231444259</span><div><span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__overview.mail.yahoo.com_mobile_-3F.src-3DAndroid&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=zZ6qbsDNBO7gagtgwHhrMWvNzgNU5DpzRC0eOZG-nDw&s=BpGZdKAeTPcYw9quQkgR6rZRcrqxEAqe1W2k48Ir4a4&e=">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></span></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 20px;border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;border-color:rgb(0,99,18);padding-left:1em;font-family:Roboto, sans-serif;color:rgb(109,0,246);"><div><span>On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet</span></div><div><span><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:</span></div><div style="padding:10px 0px 0px 20px;margin:10px 0px 0px;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(109,0,246);color:initial;"><div style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><div><span>Thanks so much for these questions! Please see below, in line.</span></div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;"><span><span style="font-size:11.5pt;color:rgb(31,73,125);"><6F096681-9A34-452C-A5CD-1D0E4C64A463[2].png></span></span></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"> </div><div><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri;color:rgb(31,73,125);">Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri;color:rgb(31,73,125);">m. <a rel="nofollow" href="">+44 (0) 771 156 1315</a></span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri;color:rgb(31,73,125);">2 Stephen St | London | W1T 1AN</span></span></div><div> <br></div><div><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri;color:rgb(31,73,125);"><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com">ebeleokobi@fb.com</a></span></span></div> <div> </div></div></div><div style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"> </div><div style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:<span> </span></span>kictanet <<b>FastMail WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL='<u>javascript:return</u>'. For more information on phishing click<span> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="">here</a>.</b>> on behalf of Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <<b>FastMail WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL='<u>javascript:return</u>'. For more information on phishing click<span> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="">here</a>.</b>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Reply-To:<span> </span></span>KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<b>FastMail WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL='<u>javascript:return</u>'. For more information on phishing click<span> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="">here</a>.</b>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Date:<span> </span></span>Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 1:05 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:<span> </span></span>Ebele Okobi <<b>FastMail WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL='<u>javascript:return</u>'. For more information on phishing click<span> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="">here</a>.</b>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:<span> </span></span>Sidney Ochieng <<b>FastMail WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL='<u>javascript:return</u>'. For more information on phishing click<span> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="">here</a>.</b>><br><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:<span> </span></span>Re: [kictanet] Introducing Facebook Africa Public Policy Team to KICTANet</span></span></div><div> </div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Ebele,<span> </span></span></span><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">I'm still taking time to go through everything is your rather exhaustive reply but I do have a couple of questions:<br>>From your participation guidelines:</span></span><ul><li><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">In addition, secure content is not supported and may not load. </span></span></li></ul></div></div></div></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><ul><li><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Any data (e.g., proxy requests) or reporting we provide is deemed Facebook confidential information and cannot be used by you<span> </span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0);">for any advertising purposes or shared with third parties.</span></span></span></li></ul></div></div></div></div><div style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"> </div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div> </div></div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><span style="font-weight:bold;">Why isn't secure content explicitly supported?</span></span></span></div></div></div></div><div style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><span><span style="font-style:italic;">I am checking with our EMEA content partnerships team; will get back soonest.</span></span></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><span style="font-weight:bold;">What is the rationale for the data and reporting condition?</span></span></span></div></div></div></div><div style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><span><span style="font-style:italic;">Per my exhaustive reply, ;-), we do not allow any advertising on Free Basics, and we do not allow developers to violate the privacy rights of users of Free Basics-see highlighted portion. We do not want developers creating sites that profit off of Free Basics users, or that use their data to advertise, or that share their data with third parties.</span></span></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div> </div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Also while the while the FAQs on that page say different there's this condition: </span></span></div></div></div></div><div><span><span style="font-style:italic;"><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">What do you mean when you say the FAQs on that page “say different”? Can you please specify what you mean when you say the FAQs “say different”? Thanks-once you do, will get back soonest.</span></span></span></div><div style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"> </div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-color:rgb(84,0,0) rgb(84,0,0) rgb(84,0,0) rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Developer participation on the Free Basics Platform, including the information submitted with your application, is otherwise governed by our standard legal terms. Collectively, our standard legal terms and these supplemental terms are the entire agreement between you and Facebook relating to Free Basics, and any terms of use for your service will not apply to Facebook.</span></span></blockquote><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"> </span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Those legal terms contain this:</span></span></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-color:rgb(84,0,0) rgb(84,0,0) rgb(84,0,0) rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy andapplication settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it.</span></span></blockquote><div> </div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><span style="font-weight:bold;">So what takes precedence, the FAQ or legal terms? What does this mean for content producers who make a living of that content if Facebook chooses to exercise this right??</span></span></span></div><div> </div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Finally Nanjira makes an important point in her post here(<b>FastMail WARNING: URL text and host don't match, possible phishing attempt. URL disabled. 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Original text='<u><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://nanjira.com/2015/11/taking-free-basics-in-kenya-on-a-spin/'">http://nanjira.com/2015/11/taking-free-basics-in-kenya-on-a-spin/</a></u><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://nanjira.com/2015/11/taking-free-basics-in-kenya-on-a-spin/'">'</a>. For more information on phishing click<span> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="">here</a>.</b>) about how the platform, in Kenya at least, seems set up for consumption.<span> </span><span style="font-weight:bold;">Why is this? Was this an explicit decision or a side-effect of the chosen platforms? What is Facebook doing to encourage people to provide content to these sites?</span></span></span></div></div></div></div><div><span><span style="font-style:italic;">Platform is actually set up for people to create, but Free Basics is meant to be a light-weight product that operators are willing to provide for free, for people new to the Internet. Per previously—Free Basics is meant to be an on-ramp to the Internet. It’s not meant to be a place where people stay. The kind of Internet access that supports content creation requires all kinds of inputs (electricity, broadband, infrastructure) that Facebook alone is not solely equipped to provide in 192 countries around the world. It’s no coincidence that the countries with the most creators are countries with a) the most resources and b) the biggest government investment in infrastructure. As you know, it’s not Facebook that charges for Internet access in developing countries-it’s operators. Are operators willing to provide unlimited access, for free, to people? Should they? I think the primary thing to remember, per my email is that Free Basics is not, at all, meant to be a holistic answer to a complex issue. It is only meant to be a short/medium-term way of addressing two very specific linked barriers to access-awareness and cost.</span></span></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div> </div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(20,24,35);"><span style="font-size:12px;line-height:16.08px;">Looking forward to hearing your responses and I will be adding other questions as I go through your response(s).</span></span></span></span></div></div><div> <div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">On 3 December 2015 at 13:00, Barrack Otieno via kictanet<span> </span><span dir="ltr"><<b>FastMail WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL='<u>javascript:return</u>'. For more information on phishing click<span> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="">here</a>.</b>></span><span> </span>wrote:</span></span><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-color:rgb(84,0,0) rgb(84,0,0) rgb(84,0,0) rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Hi Ebele,</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Many thanks for your responses. I have a somewhat dumb question, some might have been partly addressed.</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">1. What role does the facebook public policy team play in Africa?</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">2. What led to the creation of the team?</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">3. What are facebooks plans regarding promotion of local content and extending connectivity to marginalized areas?</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">4. What is Facebooks defination of Net Neutrality and what is its position on the same?</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Please educate me</span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Thanks</span></span></div><div><div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">On Dec 3, 2015 9:56 AM, "Ebele Okobi via kictanet" <<b>FastMail WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL='<u>javascript:return</u>'. For more information on phishing click<span> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="">here</a>.</b>> wrote:</span></span></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-color:rgb(84,0,0) rgb(84,0,0) rgb(84,0,0) rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div><div><div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Zero-rating plans are indeed fully compatible and offered along with paid plans-they are just one of many options, and per my response below, zero-rating that is paid for by operator must exist together with paid plans because if not, the operator can't survive.<br><br><span style="font-size:13pt;">Ebele Okobi </span><span style="font-size:13pt;">| Head of Public Policy, Africa</span></span></span><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><span>m. <a rel="nofollow" href="">+44 (0) 771 156 1315</a></span></span></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"> </div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><a rel="nofollow" href="">10 Brock Street | London</a> | NW1 3FG</span></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><b>FastMail WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL='<u>javascript:return</u>'. For more information on phishing click<span> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="">here</a>.</b></span></span></div><div> </div></div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><img alt="6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B" height="43" data-id="7f71d7ad-1d65-7abc-2cde-1d288388bc75"></span></span></div></div><div><br><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">On Dec 3, 2015, at 5:57 AM, waudo siganga via kictanet <<b>FastMail WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL='<u>javascript:return</u>'. For more information on phishing click<span> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="">here</a>.</b>> wrote:</span></span><br> </div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px;border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;border-color:rgb(84,0,0);padding-left:1em;"><div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial;font-size:inherit;"><div><div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">A quick one for Kivuva, Hussein, Ebele - Please clarify is this Zero-rating incompatible with, i.e. mutually exclusive to paid services? Why cant they operate TOGETHER. </span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Waudo </span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"> </span></span></div><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">On Thu, Dec 3, 2015, at 01:52 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva wrote:</span></span></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px;border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;border-color:rgb(84,0,0);padding-left:1em;"><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">There is a good satirical letter from Max, Zuckerberg's daughter on giving people free access to Facebook as if it was water or electricity:<span> </span><b>FastMail WARNING: URL text and host don't match, possible phishing attempt. URL disabled. 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For more information on phishing click<span> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="">here</a>.</b>wrote:<span> </span></span></span><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-color:rgb(84,0,0) rgb(84,0,0) rgb(84,0,0) rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Dr. Waudo, your questions are valid, and very well structured. This is what has been asked for some years now. And the idea of asking Facebook to come over is for them to school us too on their view of net neutrality.</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">But find my attempt inline:</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">On Dec 2, 2015 6:48 PM, "waudo siganga" <<b>FastMail WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL='<u>javascript:return</u>'. For more information on phishing click<span> </span><a rel="nofollow" href="">here</a>.</b>> wrote:<br>><br>> Hi Kivuva/Hussein. I need a little more enlightenment:<br>> <br>> 1. Is the "Zero-Rating" issue a debate or has it already been concluded that it is a bad thing? There is a hint that supporting it may leave one in not very good standing..</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">This has not been agreed upon. We would probably not get an answer to whether it is good or bad. But some countries have determined and outlawed zero rating, some analyze zero rating requests on case by case basis, and other have approved zero rating.</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">> 2. According to Kivuva's well-written article "Zero rating infringes on fundamental human rights by denying users access to the Internet". Are other service providers, including those offering "full" Internet Access at a fee, stopped or hindered from offering their services when some companies offer the zero-rating? Can both forms operate at the same time?</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">This is a great question. And it is probably the main selling point for zero rating. To answer the question, if you have a data package, you can access the Internet outside the zero rated area. I probably like the idea. But what are the root cause for using zero rating? Can we make the Internet affordable?</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">> 3. In Q2 above I have "full" in quotes because in my use of Internet I am yet to come across a truly "neutral Internet" i.e. sometimes I try to access certain websites or services and you are unable as you get a message that you cannot access that site/service from your country, meaning many services providers already practise packet filtering.</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">True. There are many ways in which net neutrality is infringed, and there are different legislation from country to country on those aspects. The one that has affected us more is bandwidth trotting, especially of bit torrent traffic. An ISP advertises unlimited Internet access at $$$, then when you start using more resources than they had anticipated, they tighten your pipe. Bandwidth trotting and protocol blocking was banned by EU in 2014. Mobile carriers used to block access to Skype because it hurts voice, calling, and text-messaging revenue.</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">So part of why we have been calling for a Net Neutrality law in Kenya is to protect the consumer, and also have a stand. Currently, the ISP can do whatever they want. The model to adopt is upto the community.</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">> 4. Hussein gives certain characteristics of a "market" but probably leaves out a very critical one: Choice. The best market is the one where ALL service providers are given the opportunity to offer their services and consumers are left to choose. At the end of the day it is the consumers that decide which companies and services survive and which wilt along the way. Why choose for the consumer beforehand by barring certain services or business models?</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Be careful before you imprison yourself with your own words :). In the same breath of choice, who decided which websites a consumer should have access to? Why choose for the consumer beforehand? :) Why limit consumer choice?</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">At another level, consumers are not usually very knowledgeable in what they want, or even what is good for a country. I'm ready to bet that if one country allows zero rating, and another country provides reliable affordable broadband, then the one with affordable broadband will experience faster economic growth. This is just an hypothesis.</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">> 5. A couple of years ago the cost and affordability of Internet access was a key ICT public policy issue. We said it was a major impediment to the spread of Internet use. How do we reconcile that with opposition to free (ok "free" as Hussein corrected me) services even if they are only offering a slice of what an open Internet offers.</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">Cost and access are still very relevant especially in our region of the world. That was why the IGF theme was "connecting the next billion." And there are very great suggestions thrown around on how to reduce the cost. Licensing, competition, usf, infrastructure sharing, taxes,...... We are really disadvantaged when it comes to utilising the great benefits of the Internet. Now what happens when we shrink that space more?</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">> <br>> On a lighter note these days I am very happy with Facebook especially the Groups, as I get to know what is going on in the village. But I have been accessing them using a paid service perhaps I can save a few shillings if I got to know how to connect for free.</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">And Facebook likes these case studies. I heard them happily say how they are helping women chamas organise themselves, and also organise civil activism to foster democracy in places like Myanmar. Well, I want that too :-)</span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">> <br>> I know Kivuva and Hussein have had extensive opportunity to study this area of Zero-Rating and also to listen o experts so I apologize in advance if my questions do not sound sophisticated.<br>> <br>> Kind Regards,<br>> Waudo<br>> <br>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015, at 05:07 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva wrote:<br>>><br>>> We are having the most vibrant debate on Net Neutrality on the list in a long while. Thanks for all contributors, and GG for initiating this timely discussion. It's exciting to see many people interested with the zero rating debate. I'm sure Ebele and Akua from Facebook are fascinated by the dynamism of this group. Thank you Ebele and Akua for graciously joining this debate.<br>>><br>>> I'll keep my opinions to myself and only ask questions.<br>>><br>>> <br>>><br>>> 1. Does Facebook support Net Neutrality?<br>>><br>>> 2. Does Facebook's zero rating contravene net neutrality principle?<br>>><br>>> 3. Will Facebook take "zero rated services" to areas without any connectivity infrastructure? <br>>><br>>> 4. Will Facebook zero rated services reach all the people, even those with feature phones? Does fb have non app based Free basics?. What percentage of your target market has access to smart phones?<br>>><br>>> 5. Which network operators does Facebook work with? Are all ISPs welcomed to the party?<br>>><br>>> 6. Will free basics help reduce the cost of internet access?<br>>><br>>> 7. Does Facebook pay ISPs to offer the "walled garden" to end users?<br>>><br>>> 8. Why is Facebook running campaigns for "free basics" in a way to suggest that it is giving free access to the internet? Is FB and a few vanilla websites the Internet?<br>>><br>>> 9. Facebook is considered affluent. Would it consider providing free internet to everyone?<br>>><br>>> 10. Is free basics bridging the digital divide or creating confusion of those who cannot differentiate between Facebook and the Internet? Is Facebook keen that users from the developing world have access to the whole wealth of knowledge and information that the Internet provides? <br>>><br>>> <br>>><br>>> Sincerely,<br>>><br>>> Mwendwa Kivuva</span></span></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px;border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;border-color:rgb(84,0,0);padding-left:1em;"><div><span><span style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size:14px;"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>kictanet mailing list</span><br><span><b>FastMail WARNING: URL text contains a possible JavaScript attack on your machine. URL disabled. Original URL='<u>javascript:return</u>'. 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