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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mwendwa,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In one case the host servers are in Turkey…..any insight on that?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bkioko=bernsoft.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 29, 2015 3:30 PM<br><b>To:</b> bkioko@bernsoft.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Music Copyright Owners sue ISPs for allowing Kenyans to download content illegally<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>We have no "precedence" in Kenya on any intermediary liability case. It's a good move for the copyright owners to have this case brought forward and see what direction as a country we should take. This might spur players in the industry to bring legislation to parliament on the same.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>What has worked very effectively elsewhere was The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), a United States copyright law that implements two 1996 treaties of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). This essentially entails copyright owners policing online content and issuing takedown notices.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>When you Google content that has takedown notices, you get this response:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div style='margin-top:12.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>In response to a complaint we received under the <a href="https://www.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1386831" target="_blank"><span style='color:#660099;text-decoration:none'>US Digital Millennium Copyright Act</span></a>, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may <a href="http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi?sID=10204135" target="_blank"><span style='color:#660099;text-decoration:none'>read the DMCA complaint</span></a> that caused the removal(s) atChillingEffects.org.</span></i><span style='font-size:13.5pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-top:12.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>In response to a complaint we received under the <a href="https://www.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1386831" target="_blank"><span style='color:#660099;text-decoration:none'>US Digital Millennium Copyright Act</span></a>, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may <a href="http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi?sID=10246859" target="_blank"><span style='color:#660099;text-decoration:none'>read the DMCA complaint</span></a> that caused the removal(s) atChillingEffects.org.</span></i><span style='font-size:13.5pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-top:12.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>In response to a complaint we received under the <a href="https://www.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=1386831" target="_blank"><span style='color:#660099;text-decoration:none'>US Digital Millennium Copyright Act</span></a>, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may <a href="http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi?sID=10261005" target="_blank"><span style='color:#660099;text-decoration:none'>read the DMCA complaint</span></a> that caused the removal(s) atChillingEffects.org.</span></i><span style='font-size:13.5pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>______________________<br>Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya<br><br>"There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 29 January 2015 at 14:57, Mark Kipyegon via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>From a technical standpoint how feasible is it to simply blacklist sites?<br><br>Clone sites and proxies exist to circumvent these blocks.<br><br><br>On 29/01/2015 14:48, Bernard Kioko via kictanet wrote:<br>> James i posted a link where high court in UK ruled those same sites be<br>> blocked by ISPs and that's happening.<br>><br>> What's ur comment on that?<br>> On Jan 29, 2015 2:43 PM, "James Mbugua via kictanet" <<br>> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> Listers,<br>>><br>>> Hmm...I don't know why I get the feeling this is a case of throwing mud at<br>>> the wall to see if it will stick.<br>>><br>>> ISPs have never been held liable for downloading illegal content anywhere<br>>> in the world. From the get go let us dispense with that. Neither will they<br>>> be found so in this case.<br>>><br>>> I remember vividly when Napster came out and also when Kazaa<br>>> followed....groups went after the sites not the ISPs. To this day, it is<br>>> piracy sites that even the FBI goes for not the likes of Comcast or AT$T.<br>>> Data privacy does not allow you to start checking what your customer is<br>>> downloading or uploading....this is not China and getting into that<br>>> territory is very dangerous for people's rights.<br>>><br>>> Let these guys do the hard work and go for the piracy sites or sue NTSA<br>>> for allowing bhang to be transported on our roads.<br>>><br>>> lol<br>>><br>>> Regards,<br>>><br>>> James<br>>><br>>><br>>><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Davis Onsakia via kictanet <<br>>> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Will be an interesting case to keep the eye on.<br>>>><br>>>> What is not in doubt is that the final ruling will set a very serious<br>>>> precedent on how to deal with copyright issues when it comes to the Online<br>>>> World.<br>>>><br>>>> Best Regards,<br>>>> Davis M Onsakia<br>>>> "One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the<br>>>> shore for a very long time."<br>>>><br>>>> On 29 January 2015 at 13:46, Bernard Kioko via kictanet <<br>>>> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>>> Reading from the article it says there is a list.<br>>>>> On Jan 29, 2015 1:23 PM, "Dennis Kioko" <<a href="mailto:dmbuvi@gmail.com" target="_blank">dmbuvi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>>> Does Kenya have necessary laws, and do the copyright holders have a<br>>>>>> list of infringing sites?<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:04 Bernard Kioko <<a href="mailto:bkioko@bernsoft.com" target="_blank">bkioko@bernsoft.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> <a href="http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2014/11/uk-high-court-forces-big-isps-block-56-new-internet-piracy-websites.html" target="_blank">http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2014/11/uk-high-court-forces-big-isps-block-56-new-internet-piracy-websites.html</a><br>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2015 12:51 PM, "Dennis Kioko via kictanet" <<br>>>>>>> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>> Interesting case, though I wonder how ISPs allow people to allow<br>>>>>>>> content illegally. Any one with some insight?<br>>>>>>>> <a href="http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Music-copyright-owners-illegal-downloads/-/539550/2605386/-/na4mbsz/-/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Music-copyright-owners-illegal-downloads/-/539550/2605386/-/na4mbsz/-/index.html</a><br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>kictanet mailing list<br><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br><a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kivuva%40transworldafrica.com" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kivuva%40transworldafrica.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. 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