<div dir="ltr">Ali,<div><br></div><div>Safaricom has not come out and said anything against these resellers so the element of fraud is far fetched.</div><div><br></div><div>It has only sought to limit their activities...</div><div><br></div><div>A case of fraud would have been in court by now. It is simply a matter of economies of scale at work. If you give 20GB for 11K, works out to 1.8GB for every Sh1000 or 180MB for Sh100.</div><div><br></div><div>For Sh100, currently Safaricom gives me 80MB.</div><div><br></div><div>It follows...</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>James</div><img src="http://t.signauxneuf.com/e1t/o/5/f18dQhb0S7ks8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9gXrN7sKj6v5df9RN64kxbFRYHc-N8rBqW6QFLCHW5wfQ8G1k1H6H0?si=5495672839077888&pi=0b020d5f-a8de-4fb2-c527-6c5f47329b9e" width="1" height="1" style="display:none"></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Ali Hussein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>James </div><div><br></div><div>Good points.</div><div><br></div><div>Dennis however said there may be some element of fraud. What do you say to that? <span class=""><br><br><div><span><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><a href="tel:%2B254%20770%20906375" value="+254770906375" target="_blank">+254 770 906375</a> / <a href="tel:0713%20601113" value="+254713601113" target="_blank">0713 601113</a></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><br></div><div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font></font></span><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:none"></span></a></span></p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font></font></span><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"></p><font><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Blog: <a href="http://www.alyhussein.com/" target="_blank">www.alyhussein.com</a></span><br></font></div><div><span><br></span></div><div>"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein</div><div><span><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</span></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Jan 28, 2015, at 11:58 AM, James Mbugua via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><br><div>Take it this way...I buy a bundle for Sh1000. I get 1.5GB. There is an extra 500Mb which I can sell.</div><div><br></div><div>At about 11K I get 20GB. You see the math.</div><div><br></div><div>The so-called "free" data can be repackaged into saleable data packages.</div><div><br></div><div>Onto the questions:</div><div><br></div><div>1. Safaricom has always been out-innovated by our young chaps. Whether it is the guys who were running MPESA in Kampala and Juba or the guys who created a thriving market for BongaPoints or this..you name it.</div><div><br></div><div>2. Yes. The behaviour is anti-competitive.</div><div><br></div><div>They have already sold the data and gotten their money, why do they want to go after resellers and their customers?</div><div><br></div><div>I think these things will continue happening until the giant realizes it is grown too big to be bothering with individual customers on some things. Just let resellers handle it.</div><div><br></div><div>JG</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Dennis Kioko via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">You can still buy bulk bundles - 20 GB etc and resell at lower costs than smaller bundles, but not to the extent that these guys were selling them that, indicating their acquisition price was way too low. <div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed Jan 28 2015 at 10:38:40 Odhiambo Washington <<a href="mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com" target="_blank">odhiambo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I have always wondered how come people were able to sell bundles cheaply than Safaricom sells.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 January 2015 at 09:45, Dennis Kioko via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">It seems the bundles being sold here were fraudulently acquired from a program that provides promotional bundles to newly activated phones. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Most of such issues emanate from internal fraud. </p>
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