<div dir="ltr">I am yet to read the ruling but it brings in another interesting perspective. Google Kenya though always ready to assist has been relying on "Google Inc is in America". If Google Kenya can be sued for Google Inc matters, it is going to be an interesting twist.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-12-13 10:28 GMT+03:00 Ali Hussein via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span>:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Brian</div><div><br></div><div>On the contrary, privacy is another major issue that is now a big thing in the whole internet Governance debate. Different schools of thought here. Bottomline is that we must tread carefully because it also alludes to:-</div><div><br></div><div>1. The protection of whistle blowers </div><div><br></div><div>2. And on the converse people who hid behind the internet's anonymity to commit crime. </div><div><br></div><div>This is a delicate balancing act and I suspect there are no easy answers.<span class=""><br><br><div><span><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium">+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium"><br></div><div><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font></font></span><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:none"></span></a></span></p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font></font></span><p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"></p><font><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Blog: <a href="http://www.alyhussein.com/" target="_blank">www.alyhussein.com</a></span><br></font></div><div><span><br></span></div><div>"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein</div><div><span><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</span></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Dec 13, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Brian Munyao Longwe via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I think they key difference between this case and the usual third-party intermediate wrangles we come across is that Google are not being held liable for the content, they are merely being asked to disclose the *identity* of the content owner, which they would have obtained when setting up the hosting for this owner.<div><br></div><div>IMHO this is not a big deal and Google should simply provide the required information as required by court.<br><br>On Thursday, December 11, 2014, Isaac Mutunga via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr">The law is silent on intermediary liabilities but we can borrow 'safe harbour scheme' from countries like Australia, US and Europe. Safe harbour scheme for internet intermediaries protect them from liability for offenses committed by
persons who use their services,
where the intermediary meets certain conditions. This is because given the quantity of material generated on these
sites, and the
instantaneous way in which online communications are sent and
received,
this may be oppressive and unreasonable to expect the search engines to police all content coursing through the system. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">May be Section 230 of <i>Communications Decency Act 1996 </i>(US) contains a
particularly strong and broadly applicable safe harbour scheme which can be used to come up with an internet intermediary law. <br clear="none"></div><blockquote><div><i>No
provider or user of an interactive computer service shall
be treated
as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another
information content provider...No cause of action may be brought and no
liability may be imposed under any State or local law that is
inconsistent with
this section.</i></div></blockquote><div><span></span></div><br clear="none"> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> <div><br><br></div><div><div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <<a>kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a>scmutunga@yahoo.com</a> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 11 December 2014, 9:23<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [kictanet] Google loses round one of court battle with Waiguru<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div><br clear="none"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>This is an interesting development.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>The law has been silent in terms of Intermediary Liabilities. It would be good to have precedence in terms of case law on the same since we have refused to propose bills on the same. The only challenge is those advising the judge, and the media too are not very informed in the area of Internet intermediaries and we might end up with bad precedence. This is also the Observation of <span>Kictanet</span> (Victor, Grace and Alice), and <span>CIPIT</span> in the Stanford map on Intermediary liability in Kenya (1)<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div>We should not expect web hosting companies to police content of their customers, but this has become the norm everywhere. Companies like <span>Rapidshare</span> shrunk to nothing because of requirement to police client's content. (2). Others like <span>megauploads</span> died out.<br clear="none"></div><div>In other jurisdictions, search engines too suffer law suites yet they just make the information available and are not the publishers.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Why does this happen? Intermediaries are easier to identify: and therefore, they become the only ones to sue in cases where the alleged culprit remains anonymous, and they have the technical ability to ensure the compliance to court rulings, and they have deep pockets in case the litigant wins the case and there is libel damages are to be paid.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">There is precedence elsewhere in the world, an interesting one was decided by the Supreme court of Argentina (3) where a lady had sued Google and Yahoo for linking search results to third-party content that violated her fundamental rights and infringed copyright. The decision was largely favourable to search engines.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div>Lets wait and see.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div>Notes<br clear="none">(1) http://<span>cyberlaw</span>.<span>stanford</span>.<span>edu</span>/page/<span>wilmap</span>-<span>kenya</span><br clear="none">(2) <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://en/" target="_blank">http://en</a>.<span>wikipedia</span>.org/<span>wiki</span>/<span>RapidShare</span><br clear="none">(3) <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www/" target="_blank">http://www</a>.<span>opensocietyfoundations</span>.org/voices/case-<span>watch</span>-top-<span>argentine</span>-court-blazes-trail-online-free-expression<div><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr">______________________<br clear="none">Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya<br clear="none">T: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://twitter.com/lordmwesh" target="_blank">twitter.com/lordmwesh</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div><span style="color:rgb(41,47,51);font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:22px;white-space:pre-wrap">"There are some men who lift the age they inhabit, till all men walk on higher ground in that lifetime." - Maxwell Anderson</span><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div>
<br clear="none"><div>On 11 December 2014 at 07:58, Mark Kipyegon via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div><div><div><div>From the news article, the offending site is hosted on the blogspot[.]com platform which is a product of Google.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Google has policies in place regarding disclosure of personal information to authorities. You can easily check them out online.</div><div><div><div><br clear="none">On 11 Dec 2014, at 07:49, "Victor Kapiyo via kictanet" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">I don't think they are the right party in the suit. Unless they host those sites.</div>
<div>On Dec 10, 2014 8:24 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Exactly how does Google come into this?</div>
<div dir="ltr">Waithaka Ngigi</div>
<div dir="ltr">Alliance Technologies<br clear="none">
Nairobi, Kenya</div>
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<div>On 10 Dec 2014 12:56, "Grace Githaiga via kictanet" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Trebuchet MS',Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div style="margin-bottom:20px;line-height:1.5em">The Constitutional and Human Rights Division of the High Court, sitting in Nairobi, declined to grant Google Kenya’s prayers to be struck out of the case in which Ms Waiguru has sued Google Kenya and its mother company Google Incorporated.</div></div><div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'Trebuchet MS',Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div style="margin-bottom:20px;line-height:1.5em">Google Kenya had made the application in response to a suit the Cabinet Secretary had filed against it and Google Inc. as part of her fight with a Kenyan website Daily Post over publication of a story she claims was defamatory.</div><div style="margin-bottom:20px;line-height:1.5em"><br clear="none"></div></div></div><div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Google-loses-first-round-battle-against-Waiguru/-/539546/2550536/-/item/0/-/y9ryi1z/-/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Google-loses-first-round-battle-against-Waiguru/-/539546/2550536/-/item/0/-/y9ryi1z/-/index.html</a></div> </div></div>
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