<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Rose</div><div><br></div><div>I appreciate your response albeit 11 days later. :)</div><div><br></div><div>As a founding member of DRAKE I'm concerned that the association of Registrars is taking this lying down. I however will take this up with you offline and see if there is a place for a contrary viewpoint on this. I firmly believe that regulation is there to make things better and provide an enabling environment for players to play.</div><div><br></div><div>Do we know what the fees for licensing are? This half-backed implementation of a licensing framework doesn't auger well for the sector.<br><br><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font></font></span><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration: none;"></span></a></span></p><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font></font></span><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"></p><font><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Blog: <a href="http://www.alyhussein.com/" target="_blank">www.alyhussein.com</a></span><br></font></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div>"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Dec 9, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Rose Maghas <<a href="mailto:rose@gbc.co.ke">rose@gbc.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear Ali and all Listers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If you look at the The Kenya Information And Communications Act Chapter 411A, specifically section 83D it states<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="Pa9"><span style="font-size:9.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="Pa6" style="text-align:justify;text-indent:24.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">83D. </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">(1) No person shall— <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="Pa13" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:21.0pt;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:21.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:-10.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">(<i>a</i>) operate an electronic certification system; or <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times","serif";background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><br clear="all" style="page-break-before:always"></span><div class="WordSection2"><p class="Default" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:21.0pt;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:21.0pt;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent:-10.0pt;line-height:10.05pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">(</span><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">b</span></i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:windowtext;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">) update a repository or administer a sub-domain in the Kenya country top level domain (.ke ccTLD); <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">except in accordance with a licence granted under this Act.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">For implementation of the Act , it therefore requires that if registrars are going to administer the domains by way of being the admin contact, they do require to be licensed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Now to go specifically to the questions you raised</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">1. Shouldn't the CA/KeNIC simply have informed Registrars on the new licensing framework etc.? This is a simple matter. KeNIC has all the contacts (through DRAKE) of the Registrars. Better still, wouldn't it be even a better idea to convene a meeting where we are all taken through the new regime? Can this new framework be shared via email to all interested parties?</span></b><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I cannot speak for CA or KENIC. However the “ccTLD consultation Paper on Licensing Framework” that was sent out in January by Christopher Wambua had an item on licensing of registrars under item no. 4.2 and I quote “</span><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">4.2.Dot KE Subdomain Name Registrars<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">Dot KE ccTLD subdomain Registrars shall be required to obtain a licence from the Commission as a requirement for accreditation from the Dot KE ccTLD and<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">subdomains Registry to provide Dot KE ccTLD subdomain Registrar services.”</span><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">2<b>. </b></span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">What is DRAKE's official position on this?</span></b><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> Having read through the document and participated as a stakeholder, DRAKE does support the implementation of the same</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">.</span><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">3. As a Registrar the first thing that comes to mind is this:- <o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Are we not complicating and putting barriers for businesses to sell .ke domains by requiring them to be licensed by CA? Isn't it enough that the Registry is now being licensed and that the Registry vets Registrars? How are we going to grow .ke if we now have to troop to CA every year? <o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">I stand corrected but I have NEVER required to be licensed by CA or ICANN to sell .ug, .tz, .com .net etc. Is it just me or is there something more to this than meets the eye?<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I believe with this kind of framework, we can demand more from both CA and KENIC and we know that if KENIC fails we have CA to whom we can require and demand both the right policies and environment to enhance our domain registration business.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rose Maghas<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">DRAKE Chairperson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">0786 220001<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> kictanet [<a href="mailto:kictanet-bounces+rosemaghas=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke">mailto:kictanet-bounces+rosemaghas=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ali Hussein via kictanet<br><b>Sent:</b> 09 December 2014 10:30<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rosemaghas@gmail.com">rosemaghas@gmail.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [kictanet] Licensing Framework for .ke - This is a reminder to get some response from CA, KENIC, DRAKE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">To CA, KENIC, DRAKE and other stakeholders<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I'm really curious that something as important as this has gone unanswered by you. What are we to make of this? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Can you please give us direction. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Regards <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b>Ali Hussein</b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Twitter: @AliHKassim<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt">Skype: abu-jomo<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Blog: <a href="http://www.alyhussein.com/" target="_blank">www.alyhussein.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Nov 27, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Listers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Apologies for cross posting.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">The above refers. Please see attached an advert appearing in the local newspapers regarding the above.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">The gist of the advert is to state:-<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">1. The CA has now developed a licensing framework to administer the .KE name space.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">2. That before any Registrar purports to sell or be accredited by KeNIC they must first be licensed by CA.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">3. That if you require more information on the above please contact the CA.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Now, listers, a number of things have been playing in my mind over the last few days. And these are:-<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">1. Shouldn't the CA/KeNIC simply have informed Registrars on the new licensing framework etc.? This is a simple matter. KeNIC has all the contacts (through DRAKE) of the Registrars. Better still, wouldn't it be even a better idea to convene a meeting where we are all taken through the new regime? Can this new framework be shared via email to all interested parties?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">2. What is DRAKE's official position on this?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">3. As a Registrar the first thing that comes to mind is this:- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Are we not complicating and putting barriers for businesses to sell .ke domains by requiring them to be licensed by CA? Isn't it enough that the Registry is now being licensed and that the Registry vets Registrars? How are we going to grow .ke if we now have to troop to CA every year? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">I stand corrected but I have NEVER required to be licensed by CA or ICANN to sell .ug, .tz, .com .net etc. Is it just me or is there something more to this than meets the eye?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">C'mon guys, lets not complicate matters unnecessarily! <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif""><br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Ali Hussein</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"> <o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Tel: +254 770 906375/ 713 601113</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Skype: abu-jomo</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Blog: <a href="http://www.alyhussein.com" target="_blank">www.alyhussein.com</a><br><br><br></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><CA.Public Notice on .KE and Licensing of .ke Registrars.pdf><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><ccTLD_Consulation_Paper_on_Licensing_Framework.pdf></div></blockquote></body></html>