<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_12814">@Ali,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_12875"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_12876" dir="ltr">I sometimes fear that stakeholder engagement may no longer include digital platforms (KICTAnet, ISOC, Blogs, Twitter, etc - unless it is top-down). <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_13624" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_13625" dir="ltr">The "cheese" seems to have moved. We just need to find out <a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_14012" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese%3F">Who Moved My Cheese? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a> and where it went :-)</div><div style="width:450px; font-family: 'Georgia', 'Times', 'Times New Roman', 'serif';margin-top:5px; margin-bottom: 5px; background-color: #ffffff;" id="enhancrCard_0" class="link-enhancr-attachment link-enhancr-element" contenteditable="false"><table id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_14033" class="link-enhancr-element" style="width:450px; height:170px; position: relative; display: block;" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tbody id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_14032"><tr class="link-enhancr-element"><td class="link-enhancr-element" colspan="8" style="height: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1px; border-collapse: collapse;"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1px; line-height:0px;"> </div></td></tr><tr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_14035" class="link-enhancr-element"><td rowspan="5" class="link-enhancr-element" style="width: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1pt; border-collapse: collapse;"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="width: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1pt;"> </div></td><td class="link-enhancr-element" rowspan="5" style="vertical-align: middle; width: 168px; height: 168px; background-color: #000000;border-collapse: collapse;"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="width: 168px;" align="center"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese%3F" class="link-enhancr-card-urlWrapper link-enhancr-element" style="text-decoration: none !important; color: #000000 !important;"><img data-id="dce728a9-18e7-1378-815a-0ba04bee2d15" alt="image" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/88/WhoMovedMyCheeseCover.jpg/200px-WhoMovedMyCheeseCover.jpg" class="link-enhancr-thumbnail-image link-enhancr-element" style="display: block; margin: auto;" height="168" width="106"></a></div></td><td rowspan="5" class="link-enhancr-element" style="width: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 0pt; border-collapse: collapse;"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="width: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1pt;"> </div></td><td rowspan="5" class="link-enhancr-element" style="width: 14px; background-color: #ffffff; font-size: 0pt; border-collapse: collapse;"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="width: 14px; background-color: #ffffff; font-size: 14pt;"> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 6px; background-color: #ffffff; font-size: 0pt; border-collapse: collapse;"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 6px; background-color: #ffffff; font-size: 6pt;"> </div></td><td id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_14034" rowspan="5" class="link-enhancr-element" style="width: 20px; background-color: #ffffff; font-size: 0pt; border-collapse: collapse;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_14268" class="link-enhancr-element" style="width: 20px; background-color: #ffffff; font-size: 20pt;"> </div></td><td id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_14036" class="link-enhancr-element" rowspan="5" style="width: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1pt; border-collapse: collapse;" width="1"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="width: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1pt;"> </div></td></tr><tr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_14031"><td id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_14030" class="link-enhancr-element" colspan="2" style="width: 100%; vertical-align: middle; font-family: 'Georgia', 'Times', 'Times New Roman', 'serif';"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_14271" class="link-enhancr-text-part link-enhancr-element" style="line-height:16.5px; background-color: #ffffff; height: 135px; width: 245px;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_14270" class="link-enhancr-element" style="word-wrap: break-word; word-break: break-all;"><span class="link-enhancr-element icon icon-shrink link-enhancr-toggle"></span><span class="link-enhancr-element icon icon-close link-enhancr-delete"></span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese%3F" class="link-enhancr-card-urlWrapper link-enhancr-element" style="text-decoration: none !important; color: #000000 !important; line-height: 100%; font-size: 18px; display: block;"><span class="link-enhancr-element link-enhancr-card-title" style="margin: 0; font-weight: normal;margin-bottom: 3px; font-size: 18px; line-height: 21px; max-height: 43px; color: #000000; overflow: hidden !important; display: inline-block;">Who Moved My Cheese? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</span></a><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_14269" style="font-size: 13px; line-height: 20px; color: #999999; max-height: 81px; font-family: 'Georgia', 'Times', 'Times New Roman', 'serif';overflow: hidden;" class="link-enhancr-card-description link-enhancr-element">Who Moved My Cheese? An Amazing Way to Deal with Change in Your Work and in Your Life, published on September 8, 1998, is a motivational tale by Spencer Johnson wri...</div></div></div></td></tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 4px; background-color: #ffffff; font-size: 0pt; border-collapse: collapse;"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 4px; background-color: #ffffff; font-size: 4pt;"></div></td></tr><tr><td class="link-enhancr-element" style="vertical-align: middle; font-family: 'Arial', 'Helvetica Neue', 'Helvetica', 'sans-serif';"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="font-size: 0pt;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Moved_My_Cheese%3F" class="link-enhancr-card-url link-enhancr-element" style="color: black; text-decoration: none !important;cursor:pointer !important;" target="_blank"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_14027" class="link-enhancr-element link-enhancr-view-on" style="display: inline-block; line-height: 11px; max-width: 145px; min-width: 85px; overflow: hidden; max-height: 13px; word-break: break-all;"><span class="link-enhancr-element link-enhancr-mobile-no-resize" style="vertical-align:middle; font-size: 9px; line-height: 11px; color: #999999; -moz-text-size-adjust: none; -ms-text-size-adjust: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:none; text-size-adjust:none;">View on <span style="font-weight: bold" class="link-enhancr-view-on-domain">en.wikipedia.org</span></span></span></a></div></td><td class="link-enhancr-element" style="vertical-align: middle; width: 100px; font-family: 'Arial', 'Helvetica Neue', 'Helvetica', 'sans-serif';"><div class="link-enhancr-element link-enhancr-preview-wrapper" style="max-width: 100px; min-width: 80px; overflow: hidden; text-align: right; line-height: 11px; max-height: 13px; font-size: 0pt;"><span class="link-enhancr-element link-enhancr-preview-by link-enhancr-mobile-no-resize" style="vertical-align:middle; font-size: 9px; line-height: 11px; color: #999999; -moz-text-size-adjust: none; -ms-text-size-adjust: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:none; text-size-adjust:none;">Preview by Yahoo</span></div></td></tr><tr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_14274"><td id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_14273" colspan="2" class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 9px; background-color: #ffffff; font-size: 0pt; border-collapse: collapse;"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_14272" class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 9px; background-color: #ffffff; font-size: 9pt;"></div></td></tr><tr class="link-enhancr-element"><td class="link-enhancr-element" colspan="8" style="height: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1px; border-collapse: collapse;"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1px; line-height:0px"> </div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_12877" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_12878" dir="ltr">walu. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_12805"><span></span></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_12777" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_12776" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_12775" dir="ltr"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_12807" size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_12804" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ali Hussein via isoc <isoc@lists.my.co.ke><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>; "ISOC@lists.my.co.ke" <ISOC@lists.my.co.ke> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December 9, 2014 10:30 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [isoc_ke] Licensing Framework for .ke - This is a reminder to get some response from CA, KENIC, DRAKE<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_12808" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv1850037700"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_12810"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_12809">To CA, KENIC, DRAKE and other stakeholders</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_12811"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1418109990215_12812">I'm really curious that something as important as this has gone unanswered by you. What are we to make of this? </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Can you please give us direction. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Regards </div><div><br clear="none"><div><span style=""><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium;">+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113</div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium;"><br clear="none"></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></div><span style=""><font></font></span><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="">Skype: abu-jomo</span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="">LinkedIn: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim"><span style="text-decoration:none;"></span></a></span></div><span style=""><font></font></span><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"></div><font><span style="">Blog: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.alyhussein.com/">www.alyhussein.com</a></span><br clear="none"></font></div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div><div>"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein</div><div><span style=""><br clear="none"></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv1850037700yqt7659229226" id="yiv1850037700yqt30218"><div><br clear="none">On Nov 27, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Ali Hussein <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;">Listers</div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;">Apologies for cross posting.</div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;">The above refers. Please see attached an advert appearing in the local newspapers regarding the above.</div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;">The gist of the advert is to state:-</div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;">1. The CA has now developed a licensing framework to administer the .KE name space.</div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;">2. That before any Registrar purports to sell or be accredited by KeNIC they must first be licensed by CA.</div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;">3. That if you require more information on the above please contact the CA.</div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;">Now, listers, a number of things have been playing in my mind over the last few days. And these are:-</div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;">1. Shouldn't the CA/KeNIC simply have informed Registrars on the new licensing framework etc.? This is a simple matter. KeNIC has all the contacts (through DRAKE) of the Registrars. Better still, wouldn't it be even a better idea to convene a meeting where we are all taken through the new regime? Can this new framework be shared via email to all interested parties?</div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;">2. What is DRAKE's official position on this?</div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;">3. As a Registrar the first thing that comes to mind is this:- </div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;">Are we not complicating and putting barriers for businesses to sell .ke domains by requiring them to be licensed by CA? Isn't it enough that the Registry is now being licensed and that the Registry vets Registrars? How are we going to grow .ke if we now have to troop to CA every year? </div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;">I stand corrected but I have NEVER required to be licensed by CA or ICANN to sell .ug, .tz, .com .net etc. Is it just me or is there something more to this than meets the eye?</div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;">C'mon guys, lets not complicate matters unnecessarily! </div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;"><br clear="all"></div><div><div class="yiv1850037700gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><b><font face="georgia, serif">Ali
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