<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Listers</div><div><br></div><div>This discussion about technology in the transport sector in the country misses a major point (which I think Walu sort of touched on). The point is this:-</div><div><br></div><div>No major economy has ever evolved to prosperity without addressing the issue of an efficient public mass transport system in a wholistic way. And one common denominator is this:-</div><div><br></div><div>It is NOT driven by the private sector but by governments and the private sector through Public-Private Partnerships.</div><div><br></div><div>So my sense is that although it is a model technology project I'd say we are putting the cart before the horse..Let's sort out the policy issues on mass transport systems, implement them, sort out our infrastructure issues and then ONLY then would this make sense. <br><br><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">+254 770 906375 / 0713 601113</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></p><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font></font></span><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Skype: abu-jomo</span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a><a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration: none;"></span></a></span></p><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font></font></span><p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"></p><font><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Blog: <a href="http://www.alyhussein.com/" target="_blank">www.alyhussein.com</a></span><br></font></div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div>"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Nov 11, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Adam Nelson via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Walu,<div><br></div><div>We're drifting here but I don't understand either why Nairobi government doesn't stand up about this - even for their own selfish reasons. This is such an obvious place for devolution to be used by Nairobi County to assert themselves and take over the mass transportation system (for better or for worse).</div><div><br></div><div>It's not like Germany runs the Berlin transport system, or the US runs the New York system, or the UK runs the London system. Each metro area runs its own system (typically).</div><div><br></div><div>-Adam</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">--</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Kili - Cloud for Africa: <a href="http://kili.io/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">kili.io</a><br></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Musings:<a href="https://twitter.com/varud" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"> twitter.com/varud</a></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">More Musings: <a href="http://varud.com" target="_blank">varud.com</a></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">About Adam: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson</a></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Walubengo J <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">True that Adam,<br>
<br>
Monopolies are not necessarily bad since they can ensure a consolidated market to justify investments. HOWEVER "Private monopolies" rather than "Public monopolies" is a different ball game altogether. From my limited travels into the developed North, most (the bulk) of their transport system is under the Public Metropolitan/County government - with room for private sector intervention and innovations.<br>
<br>
In Kenya we seem to have got it upside down. Private sector single handedly runs our public transport system - and you can see where this landed us. I miss the days when I was just 10years old and was allowed to use the Public transport aka Kenya Bus Service in 1980s to go alone to public primary school (now @MbuguaNjihia has confirmed am ancient :-)<br>
<br>
Indeed I am quite suprised by the loud silence from the Nairobi County government. Perhaps they are also lost in terms of how, where, when and if they could get involved in this cashless payment system. The big picture (regulatory/market structure) seems to be in limited circulation.<br>
<br>
walu.<br>
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On Tue, 11/11/14, Adam Nelson via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Does cashless matatu system have a regulatory framework?<br>
To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2014, 1:00 PM<br>
<span class=""><br>
It's<br>
not unreasonable to have a single, mandated card for this<br>
purpose. New York's MetroCard is a great example (as<br>
is the Oyster Card). Virtually every city I've been to<br>
has one and only one card for mass transportation.<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetroCard_(New_York_City)" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetroCard_(New_York_City)</a><br>
<br>
As with<br>
most things, NYC Transit outsources most of the underlying<br>
infrastructure to a private company:<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_Transportation_Systems" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_Transportation_Systems</a><br>
<br>
As long<br>
as the margins are well defined, there is little in-house<br>
fraud, and the system generally works, the lack of<br>
competition isn't such a big deal. The most important<br>
thing is that the numbers are published and audited<br>
regularly and that the underlying vendor can be replaced in<br>
the future (i.e. Nairobi County maintains intellectual<br>
property over key assets so there's no vendor lock-in<br>
beyond the contract period). <br>
-Adam<br>
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On<br>
Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet<br>
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wrote:<br>
Thanks Walu. You certainly ask<br>
valid questions. What comes to mind is consumer protection,<br>
and ensuring data collected about consumers is not used in<br>
ways that the consumer does not ascent to. I'm assuming<br>
we will read the terms of service. <br>
I don't expect any player in the<br>
industry to be a monopoly, and certaily my1963 card wil<br>
operate alongside BebaPay and AbiriaCard. What I would also<br>
like to see is the ability to pay with our NFC enabled debit<br>
and credit cards. Consumers should have a<br>
choice.<br>
Cofek's<br>
appeal is mostly based on Article 10 of the constitution<br>
where government is expected to involve all stakeholders<br>
holders (yes multistakeholderism is here to stay) in<br>
decision making. If there was a stakeholders forum, many of<br>
these questions would have been asked there.<br>
Well, the cashles system has worked<br>
before in Kenya hitherto with mixed reactions from the<br>
commuters. I support it bearing in mind the many times<br>
I've forgotten my change. As agents of changes in<br>
society, we should support the initiative, and let it<br>
mature. We can learn from other cities, especially Transport<br>
for London which has a very successful Oyster Card.<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
On<br>
Tuesday, 11 November 2014, Barrack Otieno via kictanet<br>
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Hi Walu,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
We are in interesting times, what happens to the squad<br>
fellows? They<br>
<br>
normally get a tenth of the fare for their touting. I wonder<br>
whether a<br>
<br>
feasibility study was done. The Matatu culture is too<br>
complicated ,<br>
<br>
this system would work with a more organized Nyayo Bus or<br>
KBS kind of<br>
<br>
system.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
My 2 cents<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/11/14, Walubengo J via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> The President launched the cashless matatu payment<br>
system in style last<br>
<br>
> week.<br>
<br>
><br>
<br>
> Boarding a matatu from State House to the City Centre,<br>
the President used<br>
<br>
> the payment card “My1963” to pay his fare as the<br>
smiling Safaricom CEO, Bob<br>
<br>
> Collymore, the Matatu Owners association Chairman,<br>
Simon Kimutai and the<br>
<br>
> Cabinet Secretary for Transport and Infrastructure, Eng<br>
Michael Kamau all<br>
<br>
> watched.<br>
<br>
><br>
<br>
> Read more @<br>
<br>
> <a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2518070/-/10vedrez/-/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2518070/-/10vedrez/-/index.html</a><br>
<br>
><br>
<br>
> ---------------------------<br>
<br>
> Additionally, you can read a bare knuckle view from<br>
Cofek<br>
<br>
> ** 7 reasons why Cofek will fight to stop the #My1963<br>
PSV's cashless payment<br>
<br>
> fraud<br>
<br>
><br>
<br>
> The National Transport Safety Authority (NTSA) plan to<br>
go cashless on fare<br>
<br>
> payments effective December 1, 2014 though welcome<br>
cannot escape public<br>
<br>
> scrutiny.<br>
<br>
><br>
<br>
> Clearly, majority commuters are not ready thanks to the<br>
very poor and less<br>
<br>
> than transparent handling of the cashless fare payments<br>
for Public Service<br>
<br>
> Vehicles (PSV’s).<br>
<br>
><br>
<br>
> If digital migration switch-off of analogue TV signal<br>
could go to the<br>
<br>
> Supreme Court, then the architects behind the so-called<br>
#My1963 fraud must<br>
<br>
> not celebrate just yet. Why?<br>
<br>
><br>
<br>
> READ more @<br>
<br>
> <a href="http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php/14-news/872-7-reasons-why-cofek-will-fight-to-stop-the-my1963-psv-s-cashless-payment-fraud" target="_blank">http://www.cofek.co.ke/index.php/14-news/872-7-reasons-why-cofek-will-fight-to-stop-the-my1963-psv-s-cashless-payment-fraud</a><br>
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