<p>Walu, </p>
<p>No pun intended, but maybe <a href="http://Isaca.or.ke">Isaca.or.ke</a> should ask for or organize a seminar for the public officials behind the bill.</p>
<p>Per diems for a local event may be less than those for attending International seminars but may win some goodwill around the same. </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 25, 2014 12:18 PM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
True that @Chuksjonia,<br>
<br>
Am not sure if one of the leading global Info-Security organisations <a href="http://www.ISACA.org" target="_blank">www.ISACA.org</a> with a Kenyan chapter @ <a href="http://www.isaca.or.ke" target="_blank">www.isaca.or.ke</a> having over 1,000 registered IS professionals was involved.<br>
<br>
If not, what a wasted opportunity to harvest local knowledge to address local challenges.<br>
<br>
walu.<br>
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On Wed, 6/25/14, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cybercrime and Computer Crimes Bill, 2014<br>
To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2014, 10:38 AM<br>
<br>
Just wondering, which<br>
Information Risks / Information Security<br>
consultants, were the stakeholders when this<br>
bill was getting<br>
prepared.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 6/24/14, ngethe.kariuki2007<br>
via kictanet<br>
<<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> James, ,<br>
Listers<br>
> I hope that the policy document<br>
which informed the drafting of the Bill will<br>
> also be made available so that the public<br>
can participate meaningfully while<br>
><br>
discussing the Bill.<br>
> Does any lister<br>
recall public consultation on such a policy?<br>
><br>
> John Kariuki<br>
><br>
> Sent from Samsung<br>
Mobile<br>
><br>
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> From: James<br>
Kulubi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> Date:<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk">ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cybercrime and<br>
Computer Crimes Bill, 2014<br>
><br>
> Although I have not read this Bill, I<br>
believe that there is something<br>
><br>
fundamentally wrong with the procedure followed during its<br>
development. Law<br>
> enforcement agencies,<br>
the judiciary and the prosecutor should ordinarily not<br>
> be allowed to initiate laws. They are<br>
likely to trample on the citizen's<br>
><br>
rights by making laws that make their job easier. How come<br>
that government<br>
> agencies have a legal<br>
mandate to develop policy and its implementing<br>
> instruments (legislation and<br>
regulations) are silent on this matter? Where<br>
> are these bodies Law Reform Commission,<br>
National Communication Secretariat,<br>
> ICT<br>
Authority,KIPPRA, etc.<br>
> Prof. James<br>
Kulubi<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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> On Fri, 20/6/14, Gideon via kictanet<br>
<<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Subject:<br>
[kictanet] Cybercrime and Computer Crimes Bill, 2014<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:jkulubi@yahoo.co.uk">jkulubi@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>
> Date: Friday, 20 June, 2014, 8:51<br>
><br>
> Thanks<br>
> Victor,<br>
><br>
> The Nation article says that, Courts in<br>
the country will<br>
> soon have jurisdiction<br>
to try any Kenyan<br>
> citizen who commits<br>
an offence anywhere in the world if the<br>
><br>
Cybercrime<br>
> and Computer Crimes Bill,<br>
2014 becomes law.<br>
><br>
><br>
A copy of the<br>
> bill will be helpful for<br>
all those interested. Anyone with<br>
> that<br>
bill kindly avail it.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
Regards<br>
><br>
><br>
> Gideon Rop<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> There was a story in<br>
the Nation - Tough law on cybercrime<br>
><br>
targets all<br>
><br>
><br>
Kenyans -<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/news/cybercrime-Bill-Kenyans-around-the-world-prosecution/-/1056/2352702/-/9djlz/-/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.nation.co.ke/news/cybercrime-Bill-Kenyans-around-the-world-prosecution/-/1056/2352702/-/9djlz/-/index.html</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Can someone share a<br>
copy of the bill?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
Victor Kapiyo, LL.B<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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><br>
> *"Your<br>
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> altitude" Zig<br>
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