<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#3366ff">+2 @ Muraya. This is our number one problem - too much knowledge going to waste because nobody wants to leave their comfort zone.</div>
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Instead of waiting for the government to call for proposals and always complaining about not having been consulted, the various professional bodies could work on proposals through their own initiative and work them into the political system. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#3366ff"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:#3366ff">Hats off to those that I have seen do this already.</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><font face="tahoma, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>./Kamonye</b></font></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 25 June 2014 13:10, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Not just isaca, we have other security professionals groups, like the<br>
techinical Hackers group called AfricaHackon and soo many others, who<br>
can shed light on so much about Risks that organization face, in a<br>
practical manner.<br>
<div><div class="h5"><br>
On 6/25/14, S.M. Muraya via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
> Walu,<br>
><br>
> No pun intended, but maybe <a href="http://Isaca.or.ke" target="_blank">Isaca.or.ke</a> should ask for or organize a seminar<br>
> for the public officials behind the bill.<br>
><br>
> Per diems for a local event may be less than those for attending<br>
> International seminars but may win some goodwill around the same.<br>
> On Jun 25, 2014 12:18 PM, "Walubengo J via kictanet" <<br>
> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> True that @Chuksjonia,<br>
>><br>
>> Am not sure if one of the leading global Info-Security organisations<br>
>> <a href="http://www.ISACA.org" target="_blank">www.ISACA.org</a> with a Kenyan chapter @ <a href="http://www.isaca.or.ke" target="_blank">www.isaca.or.ke</a> having over<br>
>> 1,000 registered IS professionals was involved.<br>
>><br>
>> If not, what a wasted opportunity to harvest local knowledge to address<br>
>> local challenges.<br>
>><br>
>> walu.<br>
>><br>
>> --------------------------------------------<br>
>> On Wed, 6/25/14, Gichuki John Chuksjonia via kictanet <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cybercrime and Computer Crimes Bill, 2014<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
>> Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2014, 10:38 AM<br>
>><br>
>> Just wondering, which<br>
>> Information Risks / Information Security<br>
>> consultants, were the stakeholders when this<br>
>> bill was getting<br>
>> prepared.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 6/24/14, ngethe.kariuki2007<br>
>> via kictanet<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > James, ,<br>
>> Listers<br>
>> > I hope that the policy document<br>
>> which informed the drafting of the Bill will<br>
>> > also be made available so that the public<br>
>> can participate meaningfully while<br>
>> ><br>
>> discussing the Bill.<br>
>> > Does any lister<br>
>> recall public consultation on such a policy?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > John Kariuki<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Sent from Samsung<br>
>> Mobile<br>
>> ><br>
>> > --------<br>
>> Original message --------<br>
>> > From: James<br>
>> Kulubi via kictanet <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
>> > Date:<br>
>> > To: <a href="mailto:ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk">ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>
>> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Cybercrime and<br>
>> Computer Crimes Bill, 2014<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Although I have not read this Bill, I<br>
>> believe that there is something<br>
>> ><br>
>> fundamentally wrong with the procedure followed during its<br>
>> development. Law<br>
>> > enforcement agencies,<br>
>> the judiciary and the prosecutor should ordinarily not<br>
>> > be allowed to initiate laws. They are<br>
>> likely to trample on the citizen's<br>
>> ><br>
>> rights by making laws that make their job easier. How come<br>
>> that government<br>
>> > agencies have a legal<br>
>> mandate to develop policy and its implementing<br>
>> > instruments (legislation and<br>
>> regulations) are silent on this matter? Where<br>
>> > are these bodies Law Reform Commission,<br>
>> National Communication Secretariat,<br>
>> > ICT<br>
>> Authority,KIPPRA, etc.<br>
>> > Prof. James<br>
>> Kulubi<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> --------------------------------------------<br>
>> > On Fri, 20/6/14, Gideon via kictanet<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Subject:<br>
>> [kictanet] Cybercrime and Computer Crimes Bill, 2014<br>
>> > To: <a href="mailto:jkulubi@yahoo.co.uk">jkulubi@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>
>> > Date: Friday, 20 June, 2014, 8:51<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Thanks<br>
>> > Victor,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The Nation article says that, Courts in<br>
>> the country will<br>
>> > soon have jurisdiction<br>
>> to try any Kenyan<br>
>> > citizen who commits<br>
>> an offence anywhere in the world if the<br>
>> ><br>
>> Cybercrime<br>
>> > and Computer Crimes Bill,<br>
>> 2014 becomes law.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> A copy of the<br>
>> > bill will be helpful for<br>
>> all those interested. Anyone with<br>
>> > that<br>
>> bill kindly avail it.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> Regards<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Gideon Rop<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > There was a story in<br>
>> the Nation - Tough law on cybercrime<br>
>> ><br>
>> targets all<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> Kenyans -<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> <a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/news/cybercrime-Bill-Kenyans-around-the-world-prosecution/-/1056/2352702/-/9djlz/-/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.nation.co.ke/news/cybercrime-Bill-Kenyans-around-the-world-prosecution/-/1056/2352702/-/9djlz/-/index.html</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Can someone share a<br>
>> copy of the bill?<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> Victor Kapiyo, LL.B<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ====================================================<br>
>> ><br>
>> > *"Your<br>
>> > attitude, not your aptitude, will<br>
>> determine your<br>
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>> ><br>
>> > Ziglar*<br>
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