<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Muraya,<br><br></div>Ksh 15B is actually enough to start an industry. Say Ksh 1B out of it was allocated to build the best Apps for collecting & analyzing intelligence, that would be the start in making .KE another Israel...<br>
<br></div>The problem with all these deals is I guess when we put the same people to lead expecting different results...<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 6:25 PM, S.M. Muraya via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The CIA is primarily into "offshore" snooping/espionage and unlikely to make public announcements .<div>
<br></div><div>It is the FBI who are more likely to openly query civilians or announce their activities (onshore) in the USA</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://mashable.com/2013/09/11/fbi-microsoft-bitlocker-backdoor/" target="_blank">http://mashable.com/2013/09/11/fbi-microsoft-bitlocker-backdoor/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Safaricom is better than Anglo Leasing traitors building up "hospitality" abroad without building up Kenyan initiative + intelligence.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Safaricom will not deliver the local initiative we need (as bureaucrats look down on SMEs) but is better than nothing to begin with..<br></div><div><br></div><div>It was not a Phd but a smart college dropout on a CIA project which caused Oracle (the Database Company) to come into being.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.evancarmichael.com/Famous-Entrepreneurs/649/The-Billionaire-Dropout-The-Early-Years-of-Larry-Ellison.html" target="_blank">http://www.evancarmichael.com/Famous-Entrepreneurs/649/The-Billionaire-Dropout-The-Early-Years-of-Larry-Ellison.html</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>The rest, as they say is history :)</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Murigi / Stanley Muraya</div><div><br></div><div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="auto"><div>:)</div><div><br></div><div>Ngigi, my thoughts exactly. However, I think some of these things need to go into the preserve of NIS as part of their budget. Imagine if the US Govt (read CIA et al) announced that they are building a super secret network to curb terrorism...Where is the secrecy then? </div>
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</div><div><div><div><br>On Jun 7, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <<a href="mailto:ngigi@at.co.ke" target="_blank">ngigi@at.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>
<div>There is also something which is not clear on the proposed Network, is it an Intelligence Network, Law Enforcement Network or both? Normally Intelligence would have a lot more sway as the last thing we would want is to wake up and find Al-Shabaab Tanks right in the middle of town.<br>
<br></div>Then, the other side of the coin rears its ugly side once again.... The AG says he was never consulted in drafting this deal ( <a href="http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000123884&story_title=my-advice-was-not-sought-says-ag" target="_blank">http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000123884&story_title=my-advice-was-not-sought-says-ag</a> ). <br>
<br>Picture this, you are about to strike a Ksh 15B deal and you don't consult your Lawyer? Is that not what you would want to do as the first thing? <br><br>"...And so the wise men sat together, came up with a wise plan to have a security network and an even smarter plan that the country will not have to pay anything for now as the single-sourced contractor will finance the whole project and for good measure, keep the Governments Legal adviser at bay...."<br>
<br></div>Seriously, I would have thought Anura Pereira had a copyright on this scheme?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Ali Hussein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div>Ngigi</div><div><br></div><div>I like your thinking and the paradigm you have brought forth. </div>
<div><br></div><div>My real sense of all this is that we are taking this transparency thing too far. If the govt really needs to build this network to safeguard our borders we need to rethink how the rules of engagement are going to be going forward.<div>
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<div><div><div><div><div>Ali,<br><br>This is the way I see it:<br></div>1. It's almost a forgone conclusion that Governments will listen in on communications between citizens; if the NSA could collect Americans private communications without court-orders and this with all the Bills of Rights in place, then what chance do other countries & Angela Merkel have?<br>
<br></div>2.What worries me more about the Vodafones of this world is that, their primary allegiance is not to the countries where they do business, but to their motherland, UK. Who would like to bet whether #G#H#C#Q# listens in on private communications from the Safaricom/Vodafone Network? Every Government Officials communication including our President's is fair game.<br>
<br></div>3. If then we contract the same Safaricom/Vodafone to build for us a 'Secure' Communications Network, you can bet that every router, switch, and Server that will be deployed with have pre-built backdoors just in-case they will need to be used in the future.<br>
<br></div>So, if indeed we know all the above, why go ahead and contract Safaricom/Vodafone to build our security network? Is it the lesser evil? <br><br></div><div>4. One of the reasons cited by GoK to single-source with Safaricom is that it is the only organization that is affliated to GoK that can do this. Which is exactly not true as I believe we do have a pretty significant shareholding in Orange and there is nothing as good as a competing offer to get you best value.<br>
</div><div><br></div>And a different angle to this, does our police really need an independent network (which also happens to be the bulk of the Ksh 15B that we'll be paying for?). Instead of building a single network and putting all our anti-terrorism 'eggs' in it, would it not have been more prudent and less expensive to use the already existing networks but with an added security layer and achieve the exact same result? <br>
<br>Rent the networks from anyone who has capacity (Safaricom, Orange, Yu etc) build your layer on top and you don't have to worry about 4G, 5G, 6G... As they upgrade, you upgrade.<br><br></div>Regards<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Ali Hussein via kictanet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><span>Listers</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>In view of the debate about the security tender awarded to Safaricom and now in contention within the parliamentary committee responsible for this its incumbent upon all of us in the industry that we understand this issue deeper.</span></div>
<div><span><br></span></div><div><span>See below:-</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/r-vodafone-says-governments-have-direct-access-to-eavesdrop-in-some-countries-2014-06" target="_blank">http://www.businessinsider.com/r-vodafone-says-governments-have-direct-access-to-eavesdrop-in-some-countries-2014-06</a></span><br>
<br>I'm also curious to know what the TOR for this tender was. I'm all open to the government securing our borders against our enemies but we also must know what these parameters of 'snooping' are.</div><div>
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