<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">+1 on Michael's opinion<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<p><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);font-size:13pt"></span>Best Regards,<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline!important;float:none"></span></p>
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</div><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(136,136,136)">Ephraim Percy Kenyanito</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(136,136,136)"></span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial;font-size:small;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(136,136,136)"></span></span><br>
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1. Re: CCK & ISPs to Block of Websites? (Michael Murungi)<br>
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Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 13:15:22 +0300<br>
From: Michael Murungi <<a href="mailto:michaelmurungi@gmail.com">michaelmurungi@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Fiona Asonga <<a href="mailto:tespok@tespok.co.ke">tespok@tespok.co.ke</a>>, KICTAnet ICT Policy<br>
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Dear Fiona & All<br>
Thanks for a great conversation.<br>
1. On this point: When liability of network content is placed on the<br>
network operator as opposed to the network users what is there to protect<br>
the users privacy if the the network operator proceeds to prey in the name<br>
of protecting themselves from liability? - We need legislation protecting<br>
intermediaries from liability (intermediary liability legislation) -<br>
government is willing to pass this - it has made this promise in the<br>
National ICT Masterplan - perhaps Tespok can convene a working<br>
group/roundtable on this so that the position comes out well in the Data<br>
Protection Law?<br>
<br>
2. On reporting about any requests from government, we can perhaps learn<br>
from the Trasparency Reports published by a number of tech companies:<br>
- - <a href="https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/</a><br>
- <a href="https://transparency.twitter.com/
-http://transparency.verizon.com/us-data" target="_blank">https://transparency.twitter.com/<br>
-http://transparency.verizon.com/us-data</a><br>
-<br>
<a href="http://www.microsoft.com/about/corporatecitizenship/en-us/reporting/transparency/" target="_blank">http://www.microsoft.com/about/corporatecitizenship/en-us/reporting/transparency/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
Michael M. Murungi<br>
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On 9 May 2014 12:50, Fiona Asonga via kictanet <<br>
<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hallo Ali<br>
><br>
> Thanks for the interest in the subject matter, kindly find my responses<br>
> inline:<br>
><br>
><br>
> Fiona Asonga<br>
> Chief Executive Officer<br>
> Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet<br>
> Exchange Point<br>
> Member Strategic Committee of the Africa Computer Emergency Response Team<br>
><br>
> NRO Number Council <a href="http://www.nro.net/about/number-council.html" target="_blank">http://www.nro.net/about/number-council.html</a><br>
><br>
> ASO Address Council <a href="http://aso.icann.org/ac/" target="_blank">http://aso.icann.org/ac/</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> 14 th Floor, Bruce House<br>
> Standard Street<br>
><br>
> Tel: +254 20 2245 036<br>
> Cell: +254 721 713 504<br>
><br>
> Website: <a href="http://www.tespok.or.ke" target="_blank">www.tespok.or.ke</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ?Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction<br>
> within the Industry and Government?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Fiona Asonga<br>
> Chief Executive Officer<br>
> Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet<br>
> Exchange Point<br>
> Member Strategic Committee of the Africa Computer Emergency Response Team<br>
><br>
> *NRO Number Council* *<a href="http://www.nro.net/about/number-council.html*" target="_blank">http://www.nro.net/about/number-council.html*</a><<a href="http://www.nro.net/about/number-council.html" target="_blank">http://www.nro.net/about/number-council.html</a>><br>
><br>
> *ASO Address Council* *<a href="http://aso.icann.org/ac/*" target="_blank">http://aso.icann.org/ac/*</a><<a href="http://aso.icann.org/ac/" target="_blank">http://aso.icann.org/ac/</a>><br>
><br>
><br>
> 14th Floor, Bruce House<br>
> Standard Street<br>
><br>
> Tel: +254 20 2245 036<br>
> Cell: +254 721 713 504<br>
><br>
> Website: <a href="http://www.tespok.or.ke" target="_blank">www.tespok.or.ke</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> <<a href="http://www.tespok.or.ke/" target="_blank">http://www.tespok.or.ke/</a>><br>
> *?Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction *<br>
> *within the Industry and Government?*<br>
><br>
> ------------------------------<br>
> *From: *"Ali Hussein" <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>><br>
> *To: *<a href="mailto:tespok@tespok.co.ke">tespok@tespok.co.ke</a><br>
> *Cc: *"KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> *Sent: *Friday, May 9, 2014 11:32:22 AM<br>
><br>
> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] CCK & ISPs to Block of Websites?<br>
><br>
> Fiona<br>
><br>
> Thanks for speaking out. Appreciated.<br>
><br>
> May I make some comments/ask some questions?<br>
><br>
> We must balance the needs for privacy and national security. Where this<br>
> country is at the moment we should appreciate the government's fundamental<br>
> duty of safeguarding citizens' security and the country's infrastructure.<br>
> Having said that it is also incumbent on the industry to have some<br>
> transparency as required by our constitution. For avoidance of doubt has<br>
> the industry:-<br>
><br>
> 1. Received requests to monitor individual email and search activity in<br>
> Kenya?<br>
> There has been no request to monitor any individual emails in Kenya.<br>
> However, as an industry we have been concerned about certain amendments to<br>
> the KCA carried out in 2008 that were rather vague giving excessive power<br>
> to network operators to carry out the above. When liability of network<br>
> content is placed on the network operator as opposed to the network users<br>
> what is there to protect the users privacy if the the network operator<br>
> proceeds to prey in the name of protecting themselves from liability? This<br>
> is one important issue that we hope will be amended once we have the Data<br>
> Protection Act in place.<br>
><br>
> 2. Is there any report that the industry puts together where we can see:-<br>
> a) Govt request of the above?<br>
> We are still in the initial process of negotiating the operational<br>
> framework of how government can work in partnership with private sector. We<br>
> are yet to receive a request from government. When the requests start<br>
> coming in we shall document and have a both a public and detailed reports<br>
> of our operations.<br>
><br>
> b) How many were obliged and how many refused?<br>
> None have come through yet<br>
><br>
> 3. Cyber security breaches and how they were dealt with?<br>
> From our reports on the usalama site you will notice that the cyber<br>
> security breaches numbers vary depending on the type of threat, source and<br>
> country out of which attack is stemming from. We have presented the reports<br>
> as per month and quarter with all the breached we observed.<br>
> On dealing with the security breaches:<br>
> TESPOK has a 24/7/365 monitoring system that send alerts based on the<br>
> threat priority to the TESPOK technical team. Then we begin to engage the<br>
> ISP<br>
> 1st point of contact is the respective ISP security staff whom we contact<br>
> with breach details and recommendations and give them time to remedy<br>
> situation.<br>
> 2nd point of contact is the Network/IT head to report the status from our<br>
> end<br>
> 3rd point of contact is the CEO of the respective ISP if his team is<br>
> unable to remedy situation, we request permission to assist resolve the<br>
> breach at no extra cost to the ISPs. We also provide the CEO all the<br>
> information they require about the breach in the event that the public need<br>
> to be informed. In the last one year we have had 2 major breaches that saw<br>
> us follow this process and introduce engagement with Kenya Bankers<br>
> Association due to the financial institutions that were at risk.<br>
> We are working on a program for the financial sector that will be deployed<br>
> as soon as Kenya Bankers Association have finalized implementation issues<br>
> at their end.<br>
><br>
> Kenya is at the top of Internet freedom worldwide. We must temper this<br>
> freedom with responsibility. Its a fine balance and requires both the<br>
> private sector, non-governmental players and the government itself to work<br>
> in tandem to ensure this freedom is not abused.<br>
> I couldn't have put it better, online security is a space we all need to<br>
> participate in a stakeholders of the shared platform.<br>
><br>
> On the part of Government, we must urge them that while they ensure and<br>
> safeguard our borders both within and without they must do it within the<br>
> purviews of humanity and decency - after all that is what differentiates us<br>
> from those who seek to destroy what we hold dear.<br>
><br>
><br>
> *Ali Hussein*<br>
><br>
> +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113<br>
><br>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim<br>
><br>
> Skype: abu-jomo<br>
><br>
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><br>
> Blog: <a href="http://www.alyhussein.com" target="_blank">www.alyhussein.com</a><br>
><br>
> "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will<br>
> have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein<br>
><br>
> Sent from my iPad<br>
><br>
> On May 9, 2014, at 9:02 AM, "Fiona Asonga" <<a href="mailto:tespok@tespok.co.ke">tespok@tespok.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hallo Listers,<br>
><br>
> TESPOK the umbrella body for service providers that runs the KIXP has<br>
> taken time to follow up on the posts in the preceding emails.<br>
><br>
> TESPOK as the industry body for service providers has been running a<br>
> Computer Security Incident Response Team since 2009. We have realtime user<br>
> access to for service providers to view auto-generated reports of their<br>
> network status. CCK has been working with TESPOK since 2011 to ensure<br>
> network integrity for the safety of Internet users. The working<br>
> arrangements places TESPOK as the face of the ISPs in as far as CCK and<br>
> cyber security is concerned. We are unable to confirm any requests to block<br>
> websites or blogs, however ISPs have been requested by both TESPOK and CCK<br>
> to have dedicated Network Security staff.<br>
><br>
> It is my view that the request to engage may have been mis-understood or<br>
> mis-communicated. KIXP is dependent on content and it would be counter<br>
> productive for TESPOK to support blocking of websites thus reducing content<br>
> access at the KIXP.<br>
><br>
> In the event that we note changes to our mode of engagement with CCK in a<br>
> manner to negatively impact on the end users' experience we shall not<br>
> hesitate to speak up. For more details on our cyber security program kindly<br>
> visit <a href="http://www.cyberusalama.co.ke" target="_blank">www.cyberusalama.co.ke</a> or <a href="http://www.usalama.co.ke" target="_blank">www.usalama.co.ke</a><br>
><br>
> kind regards<br>
><br>
><br>
> Fiona Asonga<br>
> Chief Executive Officer<br>
> Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet<br>
> Exchange Point<br>
> Member Strategic Committee of the Africa Computer Emergency Response Team<br>
><br>
> NRO Number Council <a href="http://www.nro.net/about/number-council.html" target="_blank">http://www.nro.net/about/number-council.html</a><br>
><br>
> ASO Address Council <a href="http://aso.icann.org/ac/" target="_blank">http://aso.icann.org/ac/</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> 14 th Floor, Bruce House<br>
> Standard Street<br>
><br>
> Tel: +254 20 2245 036<br>
> Cell: +254 721 713 504<br>
><br>
> Website: <a href="http://www.tespok.or.ke" target="_blank">www.tespok.or.ke</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ?Industry voice in Telecommunications, Providing Policy and Direction<br>
> within the Industry and Government?<br>
><br>
> ------------------------------<br>
><br>
> From: "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:tespok@tespok.co.ke">tespok@tespok.co.ke</a><br>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 2014 2:16:25 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK & ISPs to Block of Websites?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Wash & all<br>
><br>
><br>
> Its not the blocking that worries me. It's the big brother syndrome that<br>
> concerns me. That Govts worldwide have this syndrome is a foregone<br>
> conclusion. The ones who are not in the news just haven't been caught yet<br>
> or are openly doing it - China, Russia, Middle East countries etc.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Ali Hussein<br>
><br>
><br>
> +254 770 906375 / 0713 601113<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim<br>
><br>
> Skype: abu-jomo<br>
><br>
> LinkedIn: <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim" target="_blank">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim</a><br>
><br>
> Blog: <a href="http://www.alyhussein.com" target="_blank">www.alyhussein.com</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will<br>
> have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein<br>
><br>
> Sent from my iPad<br>
><br>
> On May 7, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet <<br>
> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a> > wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I think it's not going to be easy to block web content unless the govt<br>
> buys the equipment the ISPs need for this purpose - content filtering. You<br>
> can block a website, but it's another game altogether to block the content.<br>
> Content can be moved very easily to other hosts. Plus, it's gonna be<br>
> futile, because that very content will be shared on Social Media the moment<br>
> the govt opens its mouth:) You know that once it's in social media, it's<br>
> not just a website anymore we're talking about.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> So, IMHO, I believe the govt will NOT be doing this.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Victor, is there a law that allows the govt or it's agents to block web<br>
> content? What are the provisions within that law, and are those provisions<br>
> violated by those websites.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 5 May 2014 21:23, Victor Kapiyo via kictanet <<br>
> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a> > wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Dear listers,<br>
><br>
> I came across this tweet earlier today. I'm not sure of the legitimacy of<br>
> the claim, but could someone from CCK, any ISP or lister respond to the<br>
> allegations / shed more light on this?<br>
><br>
><br>
> Tweet from Robert Alai (@RobertAlai)<br>
><br>
> Robert Alai (@RobertAlai) tweeted at 1:22 PM on Mon, May 05, 2014:<br>
><br>
> Now the govt through CCK wants ISPs to block some 15 websites and blogs<br>
> critical of the government.<br>
><br>
> ( <a href="https://twitter.com/RobertAlai/status/463262331695550464" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/RobertAlai/status/463262331695550464</a> )<br>
><br>
> Victor<br>
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