<div dir="ltr">So if re-registration will be based on a current database - what's the point? Why not use the current database that re-registration will be based on? <div><br></div><div>Also, why have we diverted from tackling terrorism to tackling immigration - this is similar to setting out to arrest car thieves but instead arresting all those with logbook issues? </div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 15 April 2014 17:29, James Mbugua <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jgmbugua@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgmbugua@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif">First things first, police don't run immigration departments, civil servants do.<br><br>Secondly, the way re-registration is supposed to work is that holders of illegal documents are not in the national database.<br>
<br>They got their papers at the outposts but have no corresponding documents at the registrar's. No Fathers' IDs, no birth certificate etc.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>James </div></div>
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<span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-WEIGHT:bold">From: </span><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:mwangy@gmail.com" target="_blank">Mark Mwangi</a></span><br>
<span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Sent: </span><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif">4/15/2014 3:21 PM</span><br><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-WEIGHT:bold">To: </span><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:jgmbugua@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgmbugua@gmail.com</a></span><br>
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<br></div><div><div class="h5">The police service is obviously corrupt. This is probably tolerated by<br>the political class because it keeps demands for better salaries and<br>work conditions to the minimum. The avenues of getting money illegally<br>
are numerous and have minimal risk so earning a net salary of Ksh<br>40,000 and making Kshs 200,000 keeps them happy. Also they are<br>malleable to the politics of the day.<br><br>Having interacted with some on a case before, I can comfortably say<br>
they are not incompetent. They can do all that detective work and CSI<br>crap we see on TV if and only if facilitated by the equipment,<br>politics and institutional support.<br><br><br><br>On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Andrea Bohnstedt<br>
<<a href="mailto:andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com" target="_blank">andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com</a>> wrote:<br>> The police are, reliably, year after year, voted 'Most corrupt institution'<br>> in the country. I am sure there are a few good apples among them, but<br>
> claiming anything else would just be empirically incorrect.<br>><br>><br>> On 15 April 2014 14:00, Rad! <<a href="mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com" target="_blank">conradakunga@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>
>> @Brian<br>>><br>>> Be offended all you want. The fact of the matter is there is corruption at<br>>> both immigration and the police.<br>>><br>>><br>>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <<a href="mailto:blongwe@gmail.com" target="_blank">blongwe@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> Conrad,<br>>>><br>>>> I find it really offensive that you would paint every single police and<br>>>> immigration officer as corrupt. I am sure that in our case (as in any other<br>
>>> country) it's a few bad apples. There are many men and women who faithfully<br>>>> serve this country every day and are not what you describe.....<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Rad! <<a href="mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com" target="_blank">conradakunga@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>>>>> Given it will be the same corrupt police and immigration officers<br>>>>> running this exercise, what will be the point?<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com" target="_blank">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Government to register all Kenyans afresh in digital database<br>
>>>>><br>>>>>> <a href="http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Digital-database-for-all-kenyans/-/1950946/2279712/-/format/xhtml/-/uityfn/-/index.html" target="_blank">http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Digital-database-for-all-kenyans/-/1950946/2279712/-/format/xhtml/-/uityfn/-/index.html</a><br>
>>>>><br>>>>>> I've always wondered why it's virtually impossible to get UK or US<br>>>>>> citizenship through the back door, unless you get into a phony<br>>>>>> marriage with a delinquent from those countries. Will setting up a<br>
>>>>> biometric database prevent rogue employees at the department of<br>>>>>> registration from getting bribes to register foreigners as Kenyan<br>>>>>> citizens? As far as I can remember, when I applied for the kipande,<br>
>>>>> all my 10 digits' prints were taken.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> --<br>>>>>> ______________________<br>>>>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya<br>>>>>> <a href="http://twitter.com/lordmwesh" target="_blank">twitter.com/lordmwesh</a><br>
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