<div dir="ltr"><div>John<br><br>What you are talking about (govt supporting mobile apps) only works in labs and incubator<br><br>Real world ... Please re-look at Ngigi and Phares arguments<br><br></div>Thanks<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Bernard Kioko <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bkioko@bernsoft.com" target="_blank">bkioko@bernsoft.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p dir="ltr">Ngigi I agree with you.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On 22 Mar 2014 14:21, "Ngigi Waithaka" <<a href="mailto:ngigi@at.co.ke" target="_blank">ngigi@at.co.ke</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>There are few global pure-play mobile firms that are profitable and/or cash flow positive. Its really really hard to get the Internet to pay for something and without resorting to the old-age game of advertising and in which case you will need numbers north of 100M Users to be taken seriously.<br>
</div><br>In order to get to those level of users, you would need to invest in a few billion shillings to get things moving in terms of advertising as well as the hosting these applications.<br><br></div>So, while we hear of Twitter, WhatsApp and other successful mobile firms, it would be wise to know that without a solid funding background to these non-profit making companies, they wouldn't be there.<br>
<br>Now, where does that money to invest in these firms come from? It comes from those American firms such as IBM, HP, Intel, CISCO, Google, Symantec, Amazon; solid companies that are making products that users actually get their hard earned cash to pay for.<br>
<br></div>So, if you would ask me, we would need first to create our own industry first, with applications that the market is actually paying for (e.g The Ksh 15B GoK Enterprise Service Market) before we get to investing in applications that are built first then someone figures out how to make cash later.<br>
<br></div><div>The problem as I have seen in the local market is the tendency to just
build applications for the sake of it and that ultimately no one will
pay anything for.<br><br>And finally, enterprise applications (what you maybe be call server side) are those applications that actually help someone in their work. Their delivery modes are vast (desktops, tablets, phones etc) They are basically applications that a user would pay for.<br>
<br></div><div>So while MPesa rans on mobile phones its actually an enterprise application if you just think what goes on behind the scenes and as you look for the revenue model.<br><br></div><div>So before we get to start yet another competition to review the best dating app, let look at the fact that there are companies in this country that are already paying billions for certain applications, and if there are good local options, they wouldn't mind buying local.<br>
<br>My point is, lets invest first-and-foremost in applications that have a ready market, that the market is already paying for, before we start applications that even the market hasn't figured out yet how to make them commercially viable.<br>
<br></div><div>Regards<br></div><div>Waithaka Ngigi<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Phares Kariuki <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pkariuki@gmail.com" target="_blank">pkariuki@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>John,</div><div><br></div><div>You forget that mobile focuses on delivery. No real computing happens on mobile. Facebook runs massive data centers to compliment it's mobile offering. So does Google, to complement android. M-Pesa had to get capacity in rack space. Mobile is but a delivery tool. The argument that we should focus on mobile is akin to saying that we should scrap universities (knowledge 'producers') and focus on printing presses, because people read books. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Most mobile applications are hollow at best without infrastructure. </div><div><br></div><div>Think about it all the leaders in mobile Instagram, Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Safaricom have massive compute capacity (Instagram leases from amazon). We on the other hand only want to focus on delivery. </div>
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<div><br></div><div><br>Sent from my mobile device, excuse brevity</div></div><div><div><div><br>On 22 Mar 2014, at 13:22, Dennis Kioko <<a href="mailto:dmbuvi@gmail.com" target="_blank">dmbuvi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Kieti,<div>How comes none of these thousands of software developers are supplying even a single solution to government. How comes government services are barely available to the millions of Kenyans via mobile? </div>
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<br></div><div>See our drift, government should be removing barriers and improving service delivery for all. </div><div><br></div><div>Also, what was the role of governments in the likes of Angry Birds, King (Candy Crush Saga) and Facebook, beyond providing an enabling environment - which we don't do here. <br>
<div><br>On Saturday, 22 March 2014, John Kieti <<a href="mailto:jkieti@gmail.com" target="_blank">jkieti@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Phares, Ngigi, Conrad<br><br></div>Your focus and preference for server side and
enterprise desktop mode solutions is very much appreciated.<br><br>However the
thousands of local software developers getting into the system will not fit
into just that pie of the value chain you are in for now. More so, 30m+ mobile
subscribers is no small market place for software entrepreneurs. And
nowadays the computer does not have to be on your desk or lap, in fact
most computers among Kenyans are mobile phones. It is not bad for policy to
at least direct the youth towards the opportunity in mobile. <br><br>You'll recall that its a global market place and some of the kids we deride for writing the so called "mVitus" are earning thee figure dollar checks monthly from downloads and ads in india, brazil etc. They just wont shout that aloud. More importantly though M-Pesa is seven years old. Many mobile solutions targeting local/regional problems will not mature as soon as we impatiently expect. We're only 3-4 years into the "mobile craze" and most serious attempts are not over 3 years old. There's no short cuts to developing competitive advantages - even in mobile, give it time. If you are not convinced yet, try the ringtone market and premium SMS services. Its a whole big economy out there, with big money changing hands, and its all mobile!<br>
<br></div><div>That said, what would you rather the CS did about local enterprise desktop based solutions and server side services?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Have a nice weekend.<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Rad! <span dir="ltr"><<a>conradakunga@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I'm mystified as well at this obsession with mobile apps.<div><br></div><div>Not that we should not to them, but there is so much opportunity in other sectors - infrastructure, cloud computing, enterprise applications, content management that Kenya can not only benefit from, but we can be competitive globally.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Looks like mobile apps will be this regime's Pashas & BPOs</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Phares Kariuki <span dir="ltr"><<a>pkariuki@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="auto"><div>A fairly narrow view of the technology sector. It's not all mobile. <br>
<br>Sent from my mobile device, excuse brevity</div>
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