<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Thanks Kivuva.</div><div><br></div><div>Listers, please take time to review the documents so we can have a healthy engage to next week.</div><div><br></div><div>One other thing I need to mention and CCK needs to take into consideration is the fact that sometimes these public discussion forums are viewed with a lot of skepticism. This is because we don't know of any laid down procedures on how these contributions are then assimilated/rejected into the final document. What I'm basically saying is that we don't want this to turn into a PR exercise and sort of get an 'endorsement' from the community without understanding the underlying rules of engagement. </div><div><br></div><div>Case in point is the very public and on face value 'successful' public engagement on the ITRs preceding WCIT12. We know how that turned out..So an assurance from CCK will definitely go along way in opening up the discussion. </div><div><br></div><div>Please feel free to voice any preliminary critical issues before Monday. </div><div><br></div><div>Lastly, it would also be good to get an opinion on this from KICTA, KITOS, DRAKE, TESPOK and other stakeholders official positions.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards </div><div><br><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);">Ali Hussein</span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div>"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Jan 16, 2014, at 7:26 AM, Kivuva <<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>I support you Ali. If we don't engage, this critical resource might go</span><br><span>the PANG way, and we will be left licking our paws.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I propose we ask questions and get best practice from other</span><br><span>registries. Example of questions we will ask are; why is KENIC's PPP</span><br><span>used as a good working example the world over? Why did South Africa</span><br><span>move their registry from private hands into the much emulated Kenic</span><br><span>model? Why is Uganda clamouring for change of .ug from private hands</span><br><span>into a community model?</span><br><span></span><br><span>We will definately have an interesting debate, and concrete</span><br><span>recommendations. We will need at least two moderators. Maybe Ali and</span><br><span>GG.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Regards</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 15/01/2014, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear Listers</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Firstly apologies for cross-posting.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I propose we hold an online discussion in this critical resource issue</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>starting Monday, the 19th of January 2014. This should give all interested</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>parties time to review the documents provided by CCK on this issue. For ease</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>of reference these can be found at:-</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.cck.go.ke/links/consultations/current.html">http://www.cck.go.ke/links/consultations/current.html</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>However before we start this discussion and the reason I propose Monday is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>because I feel that there are several issues that probably need to be</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>addressed even before this whole process starts and that the community</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>should be cognizant of:-</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>1. During last year's KeNIC AGM the board promised to share with us the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>consultancy findings that would come up with this framework towards</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>commercializing the registry services beyond KeNIC. We are still awaiting</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>that paper and I feel that the paper is integral to this discussion as it</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>would provide good background information that informed the reason behind</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>CCK taking a certain regulatory framework as opposed to another - I'm</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>referring here to the fact that there are several directions this could go</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>for example The South African Model as opposed to the UK Model or the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Australian one..I guess we can delve deeper during the discussion.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>2. The documents are silent about the fate of KeNIC (unless I missed it).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>What will happen to it? Who will be the recipient of the assets? How are</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>they going to be shared seeing that it is a PPP where CCK is not the only</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>stakeholder.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>3. Has the CCK formally informed ICANN/IANA of the intention for</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Re-Delegation? This is a major process and we must line up our ducks</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>properly so that we are not caught flat footed. The stakeholders MUST also</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>be told how this process would work to ensure mitigation of risks.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>4. Lastly, I would like to commend the team that put this together and to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>urge listers (lurkers please engage) to contribute without fear or favour or</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>after this process is over Forever keep your peace.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Ali Hussein</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent from my iPad</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-- </span><br><span>______________________</span><br><span>Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya</span><br><span><a href="http://twitter.com/lordmwesh">twitter.com/lordmwesh</a></span><br><span>kenya.or.ke | The Kenya we know</span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>isoc mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:isoc@orion.my.co.ke">isoc@orion.my.co.ke</a></span><br><span><a href="http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc">http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>