<p dir="ltr">What would happen if a local consortium had won, but later on decided to sell to the Chinese? </p>
<p dir="ltr">The controlled economy we are advocating here usually works to the detriment of the citizen, like our sugar industry does. </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 29 Dec 2013 11:21, "ICT Researcher" <<a href="mailto:ict.researcher@yahoo.com">ict.researcher@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
It would do good to bear in mind "Double Jeopardy" <a href="http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy" target="_blank">http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy</a><br>
<br>
------------------------------<br>
On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 10:42 AM MSK Ngigi Waithaka wrote:<br>
<br>
>The fact that the tender was *open* is the question that is in play here<br>
>and is the short-sightedness I alluded to earlier in a prior post.<br>
><br>
>We have firms with the right infrastructure (masts, generators, workers<br>
>etc) already in use in this country and before we ran off to procure<br>
>equivalent from China, we ought to have procured what is already available<br>
>locally.<br>
><br>
>That is why the 2nd infrastrucure bid ought to have been local to protect<br>
>our already existing investments.<br>
><br>
>Another reason, national interest should dictate that we shouldnt rely on<br>
>external parties for such critical infrastructure before we already have<br>
>one from amongst our own in place.<br>
><br>
>But we now know someone didnt see it that way. There was no money to be<br>
>made using whats already there, best to buy everything new, since the 'cut'<br>
>is likewise larger.<br>
><br>
>And how do you do that? Open Tender!<br>
><br>
>Waithaka Ngigi<br>
><br>
>Alliance Technologies<br>
>Nairobi, Kenya<br>
><br>
><a href="http://www.A1.io" target="_blank">www.A1.io</a><br>
>On 29 Dec 2013 09:11, "Mutua, Muthusi" <<a href="mailto:Mutua@cck.go.ke">Mutua@cck.go.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> SM Muraya, Kenyans firms were involved. There were even two different<br>
>> consortiums of the local media that participated.<br>
>><br>
>> The only difference here is that the tender was open and not necessarily<br>
>> targeting local firms or local media for that matter.<br>
>><br>
>> I don't know of any procurement law that excludes Kenyan firms but there<br>
>> are certain tenders may only target local firms. The signal distributor one<br>
>> was open to all and the records of the participation can attest to that.<br>
>><br>
>> As I pointed out earlier, losing a tender bid is not tantamount to being<br>
>> denied a chance to participate. That's the case we are dealing with here!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> *From*: S.M. Muraya [mailto:<a href="mailto:murigi.muraya@gmail.com">murigi.muraya@gmail.com</a>]<br>
>> *Sent*: Sunday, December 29, 2013 01:03 AM<br>
>> *To*: Mutua, Muthusi<br>
>> *Cc*: Consumer and Public Affairs; <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a> <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
>> *Subject*: Re: [kictanet] 3 Media houses protest Majanja's Digital<br>
>> Migration Ruling<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Mutua, Muthusi <<a href="mailto:Mutua@cck.go.ke">Mutua@cck.go.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> There are particular tenders, even in Kenya, that are subject to<br>
>> demonstration of a certain percentage of local participation. This cannot,<br>
>> however, be used across the board even for services that don't require this<br>
>> kind of treatment.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Not sure when and by whom was it decided, certain critical services in<br>
>> Kenya do not have to involve Kenyan firms.<br>
>><br>
>> Do we develop local capacity through procurement laws which ensure<br>
>> foreign firms manage our critical local/distribution infrastructure?<br>
>><br>
>> Note Euro vs China Policy:<br>
>> <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/IPRChina/technology-transfer-to-china-guidance-for-business-4312244" target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/IPRChina/technology-transfer-to-china-guidance-for-business-4312244</a><br>
>><br>
>> Does Kenyan procurement/policy require foreign firms to engage in joint<br>
>> (technical) ventures with firms majority owned by Kenyans?<br>
>><br>
>> Suspect... Mobitelea was a case of politically "correct" ghosts getting<br>
>> a 5% cut in a Telco. Was it a Kenyan firm with even a small track record of<br>
>> telco/service provision in Kenya, with evidence it was committed to<br>
>> developing local talent and capabilities?<br>
>><br>
>> As we argue through, what's the definition of local media? Is it one<br>
>> local player, two or three of them separately or together? Must these<br>
>> entities also be separately 100% Kenyan in equity? Is KBC a local media?<br>
>><br>
>> The media/content which enters the Kenyan home/office may originate<br>
>> from MARS, but the "last mile" infrastructure/frequency through which the<br>
>> digital content enters the home/office, is licensed/managed in Kenya.<br>
>><br>
>> In the finance sector is shareholding by any one individual or entity<br>
>> not limited to 24.99%. Kenyans should own over 50% of the firms managing<br>
>> signal distribution.<br>
>><br>
>> Let's also appreciate that unless anyone has been denied the chance to<br>
>> participate in a tender, a loss of the bid doesn't amount to being barred<br>
>> from the process.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> If being required to have prior engagements in multiple million dollar<br>
>> contracts is not being barred from the tendering process, then you are<br>
>> correct.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> As it is, Tanzania has already gone digital. Does anyone know the<br>
>> ownership of their signal distributor? Its interesting to know that. US<br>
>> examples are ok but we need to put them into context. Local and regional<br>
>> examples may even be more relevant to our situation.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> *From*: Ngigi Waithaka [mailto:<a href="mailto:ngigi@at.co.ke">ngigi@at.co.ke</a>]<br>
>> *Sent*: Saturday, December 28, 2013 09:01 AM<br>
>> *To*: Watila Alex <<a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
>> *Cc*: Consumer and Public Affairs; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
>> *Subject*: Re: [kictanet] 3 Media houses protest Majanja's Digital<br>
>> Migration Ruling<br>
>><br>
>> Doing some unrelated research and came across this story here<br>
>> <a href="http://www.jeffhead.com/usn21/p8.htm" target="_blank">http://www.jeffhead.com/usn21/p8.htm</a><br>
>><br>
>> Key point<br>
>> "...*However, BAE withdrew from the competition in October 2002,<br>
>> recognizing the political reality that its failure to locate and team with<br>
>> a US-based production partner made the bid unrealistic. *<br>
>><br>
>> *..." *<br>
>> Relevance, for those advocating that national interest does not matter in<br>
>> *critical procurement* and backing for local firms, even a large<br>
>> conglomerate as BAE with all the backing from Downling Street can't win a<br>
>> large defense contract in the US against US firms.<br>
>><br>
>> Another interesting read here<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2011/02/28/how-boeing-won-the-tanker-war/" target="_blank">http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2011/02/28/how-boeing-won-the-tanker-war/</a><br>
>><br>
>> Regards<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Watila Alex <<a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> finally accessed the task force report at <a href="http://www.cck.go.ke/about/downloads/" target="_blank">www.cck.go.ke/about/downloads/</a><br>
>>> *migration*_*digital*_tv.pdf<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> the report made the flowing observations & recommendations on the<br>
>>> digital signal distribution<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> - The signal distributors will provide services to broadcasters on<br>
>>> an equitable, reasonable, non-preferential and non-discriminatory<br>
>>> basis. - *note the distinction between broadcaster &** signal<br>
>>> distributor*. *i was unable to find any obligation placed on<br>
>>> broadcasters to avail their content to all the signal distributors. the<br>
>>> three broadcasters could decide to only provide their content to their<br>
>>> signal distribution company. *<br>
>>> - The functions of a signal distributor were previously carried out<br>
>>> by the broadcasters and a number of challenges come into focus since the<br>
>>> existing broadcasters have already made significant investments in<br>
>>> infrastructure. There has to be a mechanism to ensure that this investment<br>
>>> is not wasted.- *this has been the argument of the three<br>
>>> broadcasters.*<br>
>>> - The high set-up costs will limit the number of signal<br>
>>> distributors. Furthermore, signal distribution services may not penetrate<br>
>>> to areas that are not commercially viable. - *limitation of signal<br>
>>> distributors seems to have been based on cost of set-up and not the<br>
>>> spectrum. according to the three broadcasters, they are able to upgrade<br>
>>> their infrastructure to distribute digital signals at a cost that is<br>
>>> affordable to them*<br>
>>> - In order to reduce the cost of migration, the existing designated<br>
>>> transmitting analogue sites and infrastructure will be used for digital<br>
>>> transmission. - *this has been the argument of the three<br>
>>> broadcasters.*<br>
>>> - Based on the government decision to licence KBC as a signal<br>
>>> distributor, KBC shall form an independent company to run the signal<br>
>>> distribution services in order to avoid conflict of interests or cross<br>
>>> subsidies. - *Signet? shouldn't it have been a locally owned<br>
>>> company. not sure how Chinese ownership came in*<br>
>>> - The current broadcasters will be allowed to form an independent<br>
>>> company to run the signal distribution services in order to utilize their<br>
>>> existing infrastructure. This company should be independent to avoid<br>
>>> conflict of interests or cross subsidies. This company will be given the<br>
>>> first preference to a signal distribution licence. * this seems not<br>
>>> to have happened as recommended. would have prevented the current acrimony*<br>
>>> - Existing broadcasters who own infrastructure will negotiate<br>
>>> commercial terms with the licensed signal distribution provider for<br>
>>> transfer of ownership of the infrastructure.* the three broadcasters<br>
>>> seem unwilling to pursue this as a means of recovering their "40 billion<br>
>>> kes" investment *<br>
>>> - A time limit be set after which broadcasters will not be allowed<br>
>>> to operate unlicensed signal distribution services - *seems the<br>
>>> three broadcasters have a grace period to distribute digitally*.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On 12/27/2013 11:18 AM, Watila Alex wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> does anyone have a copy of the digital migration task force report<br>
>>> that the media houses are referring to in today's appeal?<br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<<a href="http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android" target="_blank">http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>> *From: *Watila Alex <<a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a>> <<a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a>>;<br>
>>> *To: *Wambua, Christopher <<a href="mailto:Wambua@cck.go.ke">Wambua@cck.go.ke</a>> <<a href="mailto:Wambua@cck.go.ke">Wambua@cck.go.ke</a>>;<br>
>>> *Cc: *Consumer and Public Affairs <<a href="mailto:CPA@cck.go.ke">CPA@cck.go.ke</a>> <<a href="mailto:CPA@cck.go.ke">CPA@cck.go.ke</a>>;<br>
>>> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>;<br>
>>><br>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] 3 Media houses protest Majanja's Digital<br>
>>> Migration Ruling<br>
>>> *Sent: *Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:59:06 PM<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> why was the number of signal distributors limited to two?<br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<<a href="http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android" target="_blank">http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>> *From: *Wambua, Christopher <<a href="mailto:Wambua@cck.go.ke">Wambua@cck.go.ke</a>> <<a href="mailto:Wambua@cck.go.ke">Wambua@cck.go.ke</a>>;<br>
>>> *To: *<<a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a>> <<a href="mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk">awatila@yahoo.co.uk</a>>;<br>
>>> *Cc: *Consumer and Public Affairs <<a href="mailto:CPA@cck.go.ke">CPA@cck.go.ke</a>> <<a href="mailto:CPA@cck.go.ke">CPA@cck.go.ke</a>>;<br>
>>> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>;<br>
>>><br>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] 3 Media houses protest Majanja's Digital<br>
>>> Migration Ruling<br>
>>> *Sent: *Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:43:55 PM<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>> kictanet mailing list<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
>>> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at<br>
>>> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngigi%40at.co.ke" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngigi%40at.co.ke</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform<br>
>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and<br>
>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT<br>
>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.<br>
>>><br>
>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors<br>
>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,<br>
>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do<br>
>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> *Regards,*<br>
>><br>
>> *Wait**haka Ngigi*<br>
>> Chief Executive Officer | Alliance Technologies | MCK Nairobi Synod<br>
>> Building<br>
>> T <a href="tel:%2B%20254%20%280%29%2020%202333%20471" value="+254202333471">+ 254 (0) 20 2333 471</a> |Office Mobile: <a href="tel:%2B254%20786%2028%2028%2028" value="+254786282828">+254 786 28 28 28</a> | M + 254 737<br>
>> 811 000<br>
>> <a href="http://www.at.co.ke" target="_blank">www.at.co.ke</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> kictanet mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
>> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br>
>><br>
>> Unsubscribe or change your options at<br>
>> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmail.com" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/murigi.muraya%40gmail.com</a><br>
>><br>
>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform<br>
>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and<br>
>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT<br>
>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.<br>
>><br>
>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors<br>
>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,<br>
>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do<br>
>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> kictanet mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
>> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br>
>><br>
>> Unsubscribe or change your options at<br>
>> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngigi%40at.co.ke" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ngigi%40at.co.ke</a><br>
>><br>
>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform<br>
>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and<br>
>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT<br>
>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.<br>
>><br>
>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors<br>
>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth,<br>
>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do<br>
>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<br>
>><br>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
kictanet mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a><br>
<a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a><br>
<br>
Unsubscribe or change your options at <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmbuvi%40gmail.com" target="_blank">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmbuvi%40gmail.com</a><br>
<br>
The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.<br>
<br>
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.<br>
</blockquote></div>