<p>Professor,</p>
<p>My point exactly, our leaders ought to be dismayed by this state of affairs, in this day and age we should not be discussing conduits, this should be part of the building code and road construction code not sure if this is the correct term, we have been discussing last mile for the last five years on this list, now we should be discussing the Internet of things and other innovative ideas. To some extent i agree with Prof Leo regarding some of our practices in Africa, prophets are hardly recognized in their home towns, whereas charity ought to begin from home.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 7, 2013 1:14 PM, "James Kulubi" <<a href="mailto:jkulubi@yahoo.co.uk">jkulubi@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Courier New,courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif"><div class="MsoNormal">Barrack</div><div class="MsoNormal">I am dismayed by you statement “why other countries pick up
out innovations and blue prints and become case studies to us.” Unfortunately,
the pick-up of innovations on a global scale is what has led to the development
of the modern society. Each country/continent can boast for its own
contributions to the modern society and we should all be proud of this state of
affairs. For instance, according to the Guinness Book of Records, the oldest and
still surviving university in the world is on the African continent.</div><div class="MsoNormal">Any attempt to localize, horde or to un-necessarily restrict
the flow of knowledge and ideas is counterproductive in the modern world. My
professor (Prof. Leo Van Biesen) once told me “You are suffering from third world mentality-what does
it matter if you know something and nobody is using it? After all, somebody is
soon going to conceive the same idea/innovation – if somebody doesn't know it
already.”</div><div class="MsoNormal">With a light touch.</div><div><span>
</span></div><div class="MsoNormal">James<u></u><u></u></div><div style="display:block"> <br> <br> <div style="font-family:'Courier New',courier,monaco,monospace,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> On Saturday, 7 December 2013, 11:28, Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div><div>
<div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>All,<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>What did it take for buildings in Nairobi to be painted a while back?, a simple order from the town clerk, we simple need visionary leadership, so much lobbying has been done until folks have grown hoarse, that why other countries pick up out innovations and blue prints and become case studies to us. To make it worse the wonderful projects
are masterminded by sons of this land. Good points to reflect on now that Kenya is @ 50<br clear="none">
<br clear="none"></div>Best Regards<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div>On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Bobs <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:omondibob@gmail.com" target="_blank">omondibob@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div>+1 Yonah!</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Integrated project management! I mean government must stop working is silos. </div>
<div><br clear="none"></div><div>we have just commissioned a mega railway project, that will run all the to Kigali, this is a perfect opportunity for relevant cables and to drive penetration inland! </div><div><br clear="none">
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<div><div><div><br clear="none">On Dec 7, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Zaipuna Yonah <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com" target="_blank">zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">
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@Kivuva,<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Here is an example when the elected miss it!</div><div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/internet/the-rise-and-fall-of-australias-44-billion-broadband-project/?utm_source=techalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=120513/" target="_blank">http://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/internet/the-rise-and-fall-of-australias-44-billion-broadband-project/?utm_source=techalert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=120513/</a><br clear="none">
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<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div>On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:47 AM, Zaipuna Yonah <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com" target="_blank">zaipuna.yonah@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">@ Kivuva,<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Well, lobbying may work, but it is a long process! The opportunity may not wait for you that long. Mind this: you are investing ahead of demand! So do this: try demanding the professionals at the responsible Ministries (those who formulate the projects) to stop thinking in Silos and think forward and long-term using integrated project planning! And make the Treasury guys to understand this! It is a pain we suffered and somehow solved the problem in Tanzania with our NICTBB. We know it works.</div>
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<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div>On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Kivuva <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com" target="_blank">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Nice Question Bob, and it has been asked here by hardcore Kictaneters<br clear="none">
countless times with no solution offered.<br clear="none">
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It’s alleged that in Japan, to add a new pair on the available duct, a<br clear="none">
motorcyclist runs through the duct with the cable tied to his tail.<br clear="none">
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Bob, I had a discussion with a guy from Switzerland on how to<br clear="none">
influence policy, and his response was through direct lobbying the<br clear="none">
policy makers. That might be the answer to your great question. We<br clear="none">
develop an ICT infrastructure policy paper and feed-it through the<br clear="none">
bureaucracy until its made law.<br clear="none">
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Remember, we are a developing country and you and I are part of the solution.<br clear="none">
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Barrack, NOFBI will be a success when it’s leased to a strategic and<br clear="none">
forward thinking investor like Google. Just saying.<br clear="none">
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On 06/12/2013, James Kulubi <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:jkulubi@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">jkulubi@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
> Ducting usually accounts for over 60% of the cost of laying fibre-optic<br clear="none">
> cables. Just like any other communication system, the problem is not with<br clear="none">
> the links between towns which NOFBI addresses. The problem is with the last<br clear="none">
> mile, i.e links to homes and businesses. As result many jurisdictions are<br clear="none">
> conducting studies on the most efficient way to deliver broadband to homes<br clear="none">
> and businesses. The EU study of July 2012 is available<br clear="none">
</div>> herefor those who want to dig deeper into the matter.<br clear="none">
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> On Friday, 6 December 2013, 15:52, Barrack Otieno <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none">
> wrote:<br clear="none">
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> I think NOFBI is just ready to be switched, we just need a little<br clear="none">
> inspiration and thoughtfullness going forwad now that economies depend on<br clear="none">
> the Internet.<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> Best Regards<br clear="none">
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> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Bobs <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:omondibob@gmail.com" target="_blank">omondibob@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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> Which could have been avoided if the road contractors had included this<br clear="none">
> element!<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">
>>Sent from my iPhone<br clear="none">
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>>On Dec 6, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Philip Adar <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:philip.adar@gmail.com" target="_blank">philip.adar@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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>>We did NOFBI in Kenya (with the Government spending a couple of Billions of<br clear="none">
>> KES), but I am not sure if it is still working.<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>>On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Andrew Benson Greene<br clear="none">
>>> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:b.giftedfoundation@gmail.com" target="_blank">b.giftedfoundation@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
>>><br clear="none">
>>>Hello Bob,<br clear="none">
>>>>We in Sierra Leone have recently began to experience this as our country<br clear="none">
>>>> embarks massive fibre optics to help upgrade the ICT infrastructure and<br clear="none">
>>>> bring effective communication to the people. There is a little price<br clear="none">
>>>> being paid at the moment. The roads are being dug to help keep the fibre<br clear="none">
>>>> cables underground often causing inconvenience. The pleasant part is<br clear="none">
>>>> knowing that there is a high potential for infrastructural boom in the<br clear="none">
>>>> area of ICT and knowing fully well that access to ICT facilities will no<br clear="none">
>>>> longer be restricted and tenuous.<br clear="none">
>>>>Thanks,<br clear="none">
>>>>Andrew<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>On Friday, December 6, 2013, Bob Omondi wrote:<br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>Dear Listers,<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>This is a subject that really troubles me.<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>Today, Africa is the destination for mega infrastructure projects<br clear="none">
>>>>> especially in Roads and Building Construction. "Real Estate Boom" in<br clear="none">
>>>>> now a common term in our continent and even bigger in Kenya.<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>But I still don't understand why we would spend a fortune to put up<br clear="none">
>>>>> magnificent roads and buildings (of course sewer lines. water pipes and<br clear="none">
>>>>> basic drainage along the roads are usually sorted out) and forget to<br clear="none">
>>>>> lay fiber cables - the cheapest of the ingredients! In my opinion, this<br clear="none">
>>>>> is a mistake that can be stopped!<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>What needs to be done to change this?<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>>Regards<br clear="none">
>>>>>Bob.<br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>><br clear="none">
>>>><br clear="none">
>>>>--<br clear="none">
>>>>Andrew Benson Greene<br clear="none">
>>>>Founder and CEO<br clear="none">
>>>>B-Gifted Foundation of Sierra Leone<br clear="none">
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<br clear="none">The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst
for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.</div>
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