<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Listers,<br><br></div>I am actually failing to see how legislation will reduce cyber crime in Kenya or even act as a deterrent.<br><br></div>The problems we have with the Internet is simply that it knows no borders. Infact, I would presume that most of the Cyber Crime in Kenya is actually not committed by persons in Kenya and as long as we remain a technology backwater, this will be the trend. Legislating against this wouldn't affect the price of Kenyan Internet Cyber Crime mangoes.<br>
<br></div>So, what do we do against Cyber Crime? There are a couple of things we could do:<br></div>1. Use the same concept that we use to tackle air pollution challenges. You can't tackle air pollution alone, seeing that there is no way to stop air flowing from one country to next. So what do you do, you tackle the car manufacturers, demand that they make cars that meet your emission requirements.<br>
</div><div>How is this relevant? We should target making laws where we *force* manufacturers to make secure products, if they will sell them say in AU countries. If MS Windows, was a lot more secure than it is now, wouldn't that maybe half our Cyber - Crime issues?<br>
</div>2. Setup up a crack anti-Cyber - Crime unit. Fight fire with fire! We need to protect against outside cyber attacks to our country same way we defend ourselves by having KDF. We don't make laws for Uganda not to attack us, we just let them know subtly that if they do, there are consequences.<br>
<br></div>Regards<br></div>Waithaka Ngigi<br>A1.iO<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Dennis Kioko <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dmbuvi@gmail.com" target="_blank">dmbuvi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Technology does work - those of you who have used Google Mail and Yahoo Mail know the difference in Spam levels. </p>
<p dir="ltr">You can also Google "Google Postini" and understand why many corporates paid for it despite having internal mail systems. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Some legislation is however needed to tackle notorious spammers. </p>
<p dir="ltr">In Kenya though, we tend to try to solve problems by legislation, which in turn makes doing business harder. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Road accidents are a bigger problem in Kenya despite lots of legislation. <br><br></p>
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<br><br><div style="color:#787878">On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 11:19 am, Walubengo J <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</div><br></div></div><div style="background-repeat:initial initial">
<blockquote><p dir="ltr"></p><div><div class="h5">@Ali,
<br>
<br>
your comments sound like ITU-WCIT debate Reloaded :-)
<br>
<br>
Let me be cheeky abit.�
<br>
<br>
If SPAM can ONLY be tackled by technology - why hasn't it been tackled? Indeed the technology that could kill spam (e.g. PKI deployment at IP, SMTP, DNS-SEC, etc- apologies for the Tech jargon) has been with us for over 10years...how come spam refused to die?
<br>
<br>
Dont get me wrong, I am still civil-society biased. It is just that I get worried when solutions to complex problems are straight-jacketed into one block (tech, political, legal or otherwise).� I think the solutions do not lie on ONE of the above, but all of the above.
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walu.
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On Fri, 12/6/13, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security
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To: "Walubengo J" <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>>
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Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke" target="_blank">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>>
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Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 10:59 AM
<br>
<br>
Walu
<br>
I'm of the opinion that Spam is an issue
<br>
tackled best by technology NOT legislation...
<br>
<br>
Ali Hussein
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+254 0770
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<br>
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<br>
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Sent from my iPad
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On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Walubengo J <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>>
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@Ndemo,
<br>
<br>
The fact that the raccoon (google says this is some
<br>
animal in the US :-) did manage to flood your email with
<br>
spam is a confirmation that we do need the cyber-laws even
<br>
in Africa :-)
<br>
<br>
Anyway, whereas I agree with most of your article I
<br>
had a comment on this one paragraph :
<br>
<br>
The industry sometimes lies with
<br>
statistics that in most cases do not make any sense.
<br>
Gullible nations are spending a fortune on cyber security.
<br>
Even countries with less than one per cent Internet
<br>
penetration are talking about cyber security.
<br>
<<
<br>
<br>
I was of the opinion that countries with fewer
<br>
machines online SHOULD be talking loudest about
<br>
Cybersecurity simply because we live in a connected world.
<br>
Most IT-savvy cyber-criminals� based in developed
<br>
economies hijack the few� "3rd-world"
<br>
(forgive the use of word) networks/computers to launch
<br>
attacks in other jurisdictions. Unless there are
<br>
laws/frameworks compelling corrective action most of these
<br>
local networks will forever remain vulnerable.
<br>
<br>
However, it also true is that some
<br>
autocratic/non-democratic governments are going to ride this
<br>
cyber-security bandwagon for the sake of adding more
<br>
repression to their citizenry. The civil-society (recently
<br>
baptized as evil-society :-) must forever be
<br>
watchful.
<br>
<br>
walu.
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On Fri, 12/6/13, Bitange Ndemo <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke" target="_blank">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>>
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� Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 8:12 AM
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� Hussein,
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� Some raccoon decided to clog my e-mail with spam
<br>
as
<br>
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<br>
� the article.� I am not opposed to cyber security
<br>
but
<br>
� some people (and you
<br>
� remember Dubai) want to use cyber security as a basis
<br>
for
<br>
� stifling
<br>
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� Ndemo.
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Grace
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Thanks for
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<br>
� There is definitely a
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<br>
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<br>
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<br>
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<br>
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<br>
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<br>
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On Thu, Dec 5,
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n Kenya, we have done extremely well in
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