<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Walu</div><div><br></div><div>You just didn't say that...:)</div><div><br></div><div>How about then we remove the disciplined forces in our country seeing how we are having serious security cock ups? :)</div><div><br></div><div>I will venture though to agree that the solution is a hybrid. The issue really is how to achieve balance to ensure we don't compromise entirely personal freedoms, National Security and of course the enablement of enterprise. <br><br><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);">Ali Hussein</span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div>"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Dec 6, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Walubengo J <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>@Ali,</span><br><span></span><br><span>your comments sound like ITU-WCIT debate Reloaded :-)</span><br><span></span><br><span>Let me be cheeky abit. </span><br><span></span><br><span>If SPAM can ONLY be tackled by technology - why hasn't it been tackled? Indeed the technology that could kill spam (e.g. PKI deployment at IP, SMTP, DNS-SEC, etc- apologies for the Tech jargon) has been with us for over 10years...how come spam refused to die?</span><br><span></span><br><span>Dont get me wrong, I am still civil-society biased. It is just that I get worried when solutions to complex problems are straight-jacketed into one block (tech, political, legal or otherwise). I think the solutions do not lie on ONE of the above, but all of the above.</span><br><span></span><br><span>walu.</span><br><span></span><br><span>--------------------------------------------</span><br><span>On Fri, 12/6/13, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><span> Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on cyber security</span><br><span> To: "Walubengo J" <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></span><br><span> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span><br><span> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 10:59 AM</span><br><span></span><br><span> Walu</span><br><span> I'm of the opinion that Spam is an issue</span><br><span> tackled best by technology NOT legislation...</span><br><span></span><br><span> Ali Hussein</span><br><span> +254 0770</span><br><span> 906375 / 0713 601113</span><br><span> "I fear the day technology will</span><br><span> surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation</span><br><span> of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein</span><br><span> Sent from my iPad</span><br><span> On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Walubengo J <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></span><br><span> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><span> @Ndemo,</span><br><span></span><br><span> The fact that the raccoon (google says this is some</span><br><span> animal in the US :-) did manage to flood your email with</span><br><span> spam is a confirmation that we do need the cyber-laws even</span><br><span> in Africa :-)</span><br><span></span><br><span> Anyway, whereas I agree with most of your article I</span><br><span> had a comment on this one paragraph :</span><br><span></span><br><span> The industry sometimes lies with</span><br><span> statistics that in most cases do not make any sense.</span><br><span> Gullible nations are spending a fortune on cyber security.</span><br><span> Even countries with less than one per cent Internet</span><br><span> penetration are talking about cyber security.</span><br><span> <<</span><br><span></span><br><span> I was of the opinion that countries with fewer</span><br><span> machines online SHOULD be talking loudest about</span><br><span> Cybersecurity simply because we live in a connected world.</span><br><span> Most IT-savvy cyber-criminals based in developed</span><br><span> economies hijack the few "3rd-world"</span><br><span> (forgive the use of word) networks/computers to launch</span><br><span> attacks in other jurisdictions. Unless there are</span><br><span> laws/frameworks compelling corrective action most of these</span><br><span> local networks will forever remain vulnerable.</span><br><span></span><br><span> However, it also true is that some</span><br><span> autocratic/non-democratic governments are going to ride this</span><br><span> cyber-security bandwagon for the sake of adding more</span><br><span> repression to their citizenry. The civil-society (recently</span><br><span> baptized as evil-society :-) must forever be</span><br><span> watchful.</span><br><span></span><br><span> walu.</span><br><span></span><br><span> --------------------------------------------</span><br><span> On Fri, 12/6/13, Bitange Ndemo <<a href="mailto:bitange@jambo.co.ke">bitange@jambo.co.ke</a>></span><br><span> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><span> Subject: Re: [kictanet] We must tread carefully on</span><br><span> cyber security</span><br><span> To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a></span><br><span> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span><br><span> Date: Friday, December 6, 2013, 8:12 AM</span><br><span></span><br><span> Hussein,</span><br><span> Some raccoon decided to clog my e-mail with spam</span><br><span> as</span><br><span> punishment because of</span><br><span> the article. I am not opposed to cyber security</span><br><span> but</span><br><span> some people (and you</span><br><span> remember Dubai) want to use cyber security as a basis</span><br><span> for</span><br><span> stifling</span><br><span> internet freedom.</span><br><span></span><br><span> Ndemo.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span> Grace</span><br><span></span><br><span> Thanks for</span><br><span> sharing. We indeed must tread carefully.</span><br><span> There is definitely a</span><br><span> case for a regulatory</span><br><span> framework. This must however be</span><br><span> tampered with the</span><br><span> understanding that too much</span><br><span> regulation will throttle</span><br><span> the industry. It is a</span><br><span> fine balance that we must</span><br><span> maintain.</span><br><span></span><br><span> *Ali</span><br><span> Hussein*</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span> Tel: +254 770</span><br><span> 906375/ 713 601113</span><br><span></span><br><span> Twitter:</span><br><span> @AliHKassim</span><br><span></span><br><span> Skype:</span><br><span> abu-jomo</span><br><span></span><br><span> LinkedIn:</span><br><span> <a href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>">http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim<http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim></a></span><br><span></span><br><span> Blog: <a href="http://www.alyhussein.com">www.alyhussein.com</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span> Any information</span><br><span> of a personal nature expressed in this</span><br><span> email are purely</span><br><span> mine and do not necessarily</span><br><span> reflect the official</span><br><span> positions of the</span><br><span> organizations that I work</span><br><span> with.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span> On Thu, Dec 5,</span><br><span> 2013 at 9:20 PM, Grace Githaiga</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:ggithaiga@hotmail.com">ggithaiga@hotmail.com</a>>wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><span> n Kenya, we have done extremely well in</span><br><span> the</span><br><span> adoption of ICTs. This is</span><br><span> a</span><br><span> field</span><br><span> that requires a lot of creativity, but we may</span><br><span> just end up killing</span><br><span> that</span><br><span> creativity with too many rules and regulations</span><br><span> in trying to</span><br><span> counter</span><br><span> computer crime sometimes referred to as</span><br><span> cybercrime</span><br><span> or netcrime.</span><br><span></span><br><span> <a href="http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/We-must-tread-carefully-on-cyber-security/-/539548/2098892/-/item/0/-/12mo495/-/index.html">http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Opinion-and-Analysis/We-must-tread-carefully-on-cyber-security/-/539548/2098892/-/item/0/-/12mo495/-/index.html</a></span><br><span></span><br><span> _______________________________________________</span><br><span> kictanet mailing</span><br><span> list</span><br><span> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a></span><br><span> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a></span><br><span></span><br><span> Unsubscribe or</span><br><span> change your options at</span><br><span> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com</a></span><br><span></span><br><span> The Kenya ICT</span><br><span> Action Network (KICTANet) is a</span><br><span> multi-stakeholder</span><br><span> platform</span><br><span> for</span><br><span> people and institutions interested and involved</span><br><span> in ICT policy and</span><br><span> regulation. The network aims to act as a</span><br><span> catalyst</span><br><span> for reform in the</span><br><span> ICT</span><br><span> sector</span><br><span> in support of the national aim of ICT</span><br><span> enabled growth and</span><br><span> development.</span><br><span></span><br><span> KICTANetiquette :</span><br><span> Adhere to the same standards of</span><br><span> acceptable</span><br><span> behaviors</span><br><span> online</span><br><span> that you follow in real life: respect</span><br><span> people's times</span><br><span> and</span><br><span> bandwidth,</span><br><span> share knowledge,</span><br><span> don't flame or abuse or</span><br><span> personalize, respect</span><br><span> privacy,</span><br><span> do</span><br><span> not spam, do not</span><br><span> market your wares or</span><br><span> qualifications.</span><br><span></span><br><span> _______________________________________________</span><br><span> kictanet mailing</span><br><span> list</span><br><span> <a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a></span><br><span> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet</a></span><br><span></span><br><span> Unsubscribe or</span><br><span> change your options at</span><br><span> <a href="https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke">https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke</a></span><br><span></span><br><span> The Kenya ICT</span><br><span> Action Network (KICTANet) is a</span><br><span> multi-stakeholder platform</span><br><span> for people and institutions</span><br><span> interested and involved in</span><br><span> ICT policy and</span><br><span> regulation. 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