<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>@Walu</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe its time for stronger language. This shooting from the hip from very senior government functionaries are reminiscent of the KANU days and we sincerely don't want to go back there. So maybe some shock therapy is required.</div><div><br></div><div>I notice that there is conspicuous silence from the Government side. Just a piece of advice for them:-</div><div><br></div><div>Engagement doesn't mean that you only respond when something positive is said or when you want to articulate a particular point, or when you are issuing a Press Release. Engagement means tackling the tough questions and giving back as much as you get in a positive manner. This particular discourse is a fundamental issue that policy makers and regulators need to address. Keeping silent doesn't make it go away.</div><div><br></div><div>I know for some what I'm about to say is a touchy issue but they would do well to borrow from the Paul Kukubos and Bitange Ndemo's. Sometimes I would cringe at the 'vitriol' thrown at them when they were on the hot seats. One thing for sure - they never shied away from engaging even when it became extremely personal.</div><div><br></div><div>This list is about engagement and we do our best to raise issues of importance in our sector to enable us improve our space. It should be treated as such. </div><div><br><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);">Ali Hussein</span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div>"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein</div><div><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);"><br></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Nov 27, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Paul <<a href="mailto:roykoikai@gmail.com">roykoikai@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif">@Walu<br><br>I think you got it wrong here...read your article again.<br></div></div>
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<span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From: </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">Walubengo J</a></span><br><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent: </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif">11/27/2013 7:48 PM</span><br><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:roykoikai@gmail.com">Paul Roy</a></span><br><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc: </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions</a></span><br><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif">Re: [kictanet] CCK PUSHES LOCAL FIRMS TO HOST WEBSITES LOCALLY</span><br><br></div>@WhiteAfrican,<br><br>I do get your message. But your language might be considered too strong by @BlackAfrican standard and folks may take offense. Check Ali's post on the same - same message, different words :-) <br><br>That said, I think the King @CCK has been caught "naked". Maybe the planned regulation is to make ALL GOVERNMENT data local (which is within the government/regulatory scope to make the call). Or maybe he was misquoted, or maybe I might be trying to hard to do the PR job for CCK... <br><br>@Wambua, you have off late gone completely underground? <br><br>walu.<br>nb: the benefit of local hosting within the context of cybersecurity was argued on a 1-on-1 between me and Sammy B and we came to some consensus :- that local hosting does give local enforcement (police, prosecution, judiciary) some teeth...and by extension this in itself can act as deterrent against would-be cybercriminals.<br><br>I however dont think that this should lead to a decree that everyone MUST host locally because then I will have to give up my <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a> mail account to avoid hosting my mails abroad :-)<br><br><br>--------------------------------------------<br>On Wed, 11/27/13, Erik Hersman <<a href="mailto:erik@zungu.com">erik@zungu.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK PUSHES LOCAL FIRMS TO HOST WEBSITES LOCALLY<br>To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>Date: Wednesday, November 27, 2013, 4:41 PM<br><br>This is the kind of<br>stupidity that makes you wonder if the people dealing with<br>the internet regulations and policy at CCK even know what<br>the internet is. <br><br><br>-- <br>Erik Hersman<br><br>Ushahidi | iHub | BRCK@WhiteAfrican<br><br>On Nov 27, 2013, at 8:12 AM, Rad!<br><<a href="mailto:conradakunga@gmail.com">conradakunga@gmail.com</a>><br>wrote:<br>Absolutely absurd if this is in<br>fact true.<br>How does hosting sites locally mitigated against<br>cybercrime?<br><br>What business does anyone have dictating to me<br>where i can and can't host my websites?<br><br><br>On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at<br>6:35 AM, Ali Hussein <<a href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>><br>wrote:<br><br>Listers<br><br>The Communications<br>Commission of Kenya has proposed a licensing condition that<br>may compel Internet service providers (ISPs) to bring<br>websites hosted offshore back to the country in the fight<br>against cyber crime...<br><br><a href="http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/CCK-pushes-firms-to-host-websites-locally-in-new-rules/-/539550/2089412/-/15ly5o1z/-/index.html">http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/CCK-pushes-firms-to-host-websites-locally-in-new-rules/-/539550/2089412/-/15ly5o1z/-/index.html</a><br><br>I sincerely hope that the DG was<br>somehow misquoted on this story. Whilst its a good idea to<br>host sites locally this in no way stops cybercrime or<br>mitigates it. Infact with the rudimentary security<br>infrastructure most providers have I will be loath to host<br>any site locally leave alone an Ecommerce one<br>locally.<br><br>Can government please focus on<br>legislation and regulation instead of butting into my<br>business and telling me where I should host my website??<br> <br><br>Ali Hussein<br><br>+254 0770 906375 / 0713<br>601113<br>"I fear the day technology will<br>surpass human interaction. 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