<div dir="ltr">We have Kenyan companies building Highways in Botswana. They are led by Njoroges and Kamaus and Ochiengs. It is not a matter of local capacity but complacency and impunity. A contractor is paid according to milestones right? No delivered product no payment. Why would a contractor waste years if he is not getting paid? Best incentive in my opinion. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oloo.khisa@googlemail.com" target="_blank">oloo.khisa@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">@ Mark, I do think that we would <u>ever</u> have heard roads done if ever<div class="im"><br>we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got<br>
during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road<br>
for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I<br>would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that<br>they actually did up the game...<br><br>I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.<span></span><span></span></div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Emmanuel Khisa <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oloo.khisa@googlemail.com" target="_blank">oloo.khisa@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">@ Mark, I do think that we would never have heard roads done if ever<br>
we used Kenyan Contractors...sorry to say this but look how far we got<br>
during the pre Kibaki era with contractors that did a 10km of a road<br>
for 5 years and still never completed them...I think one credit I<br>
would give the China Bridge and Co and H Young and Straberg is that<br>
they actually did up the game...<br>
<br>
I otherwise agree with you on the rest of the points raised above.<br>
<div><div><br>
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Mark Mwangi <<a href="mailto:mwangy@gmail.com" target="_blank">mwangy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I agree with Adam albeit partly. Running to make everything under the sun is<br>
> no a smart move. However building horizontal industries where products from<br>
> one industry feed another and by products are the base of another shoulfd be<br>
> encouraged. Building spare parts for local cars is an example.<br>
><br>
> A knowledge economy is a good foundation but we still need to build and make<br>
> stuff. e.g Swiss chocolate, german cars, American Missiles, Chinese iPhones<br>
> etc. Am yet to see a stable economy that doesn't manufacture and export<br>
> physical goods.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Adam Nelson <<a href="mailto:adam@varud.com" target="_blank">adam@varud.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> The first sentence does not lead to the second and third:<br>
>><br>
>> "We cannot have high unemployment, and at the same time import clothes<br>
>> from Sri Lanka or mitumba, when we can grow cotton and make our clothes. We<br>
>> must defy economic explanations on what works and what does not work. If we<br>
>> deployed thousands of youth digitizing land records, we would reduce<br>
>> caseloads in courts, become more efficient, and create more wealth to grow<br>
>> our economy."<br>
>><br>
>> Kenya should go towards counter-cyclical employment of youth doing<br>
>> productive infrastructure work: being teachers, building railroads,<br>
>> digitizing land records, etc...<br>
>><br>
>> However, you can't forget Adam Smith who talked extensively of Comparative<br>
>> Advantage (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage</a>). Sri Lanka<br>
>> (or really Bangladesh) has a far more economical solution for producing<br>
>> cotton clothing than Kenya has. This mostly has to do with the port of<br>
>> Mombassa being a stranglehold and the fact that a 40M person economy (Kenya)<br>
>> doesn't have the same economy of scale as a billion person economy (a guess<br>
>> at the number of people a Bangladeshi factory can export to easily).<br>
>><br>
>> Kenya is a small country and a small economy and if it wants to bring in<br>
>> more money and reduce unemployment, the solution is around creating an<br>
>> amazingly well-educated population and doing more knowledge work - not<br>
>> producing more clothing.<br>
>><br>
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>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Kivuva <<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com" target="_blank">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Dr. Ndemo has struck a cord that has been played in this list<br>
>>> countless times before. I remember him saying in another thread "you<br>
>>> cannot have unemployed youth yet we have countless garbage lining our<br>
>>> streets and estates!"<br>
>>><br>
>>> His argument on us importing cloths yet we can do it here is basic<br>
>>> economic that any country can master. India went that way through the<br>
>>> leadership of Mahatma.<br>
>>><br>
>>> But Dr. Ndemo, in the previous administration that you served so<br>
>>> ardently, the government shipped billions worth of capital on works<br>
>>> that could be done by Kenyans. I'm talking about the massive<br>
>>> infrastructure development that took place in the last 10years. That<br>
>>> capital could have done our unemployed generation justice if it was<br>
>>> utilized here home. I believe Kenyans can build decent roads, brides,<br>
>>> buildings and ports. What happened to national pride? It's the same<br>
>>> argument of importing cloths or planting cotton and producing our own<br>
>>> garments.<br>
>>><br>
>>> We're still not out of the woods yet, remember the Korean firm<br>
>>> implementing the PKI?<br>
>>><br>
>>> My cent-less<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 18/11/2013, Dorcas Muthoni <<a href="mailto:dmuthoni@gmail.com" target="_blank">dmuthoni@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> > A good piece by Dr. Bitange Ndemo<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > *We must be more pragmatic to resolve Kenya's high unemployment*<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > <a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/-/1959700/2077756/-/oodsogz/-/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/-/1959700/2077756/-/oodsogz/-/index.html</a><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > --<br>
>>> > Muthoni<br>
>>> ><br>
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>>> > --------------------------------------------<br>
>>> > Mahatma Gandhi once said:-<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > First they ignore you,<br>
>>> > Then they laugh at you,<br>
>>> > Then they fight you,<br>
>>> > AND THEN YOU WIN!!!<br>
>>> ><br>
>>><br>
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