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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 31 October 2013 11:24, Sammy Buruchara <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:buruchara@me.com" target="_blank">buruchara@me.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Mr. Walubengo,<br>
<br>
While not present at the IGF, and without a lot hesitation, I respectfully<br>
disagree with the view you have shared, that was taken at IGF in relation<br>
to securing countries.<br>
<br>
While there is a need for international cooperation, National Security at<br>
the end of the day is a matter for individual countries with various<br>
priorities in regard to their security.<br>
This also has an impact in terms of relationships between countries.<br>
Therefore it would be ill-advised to through security concerns to<br>
"International" where we know exactly what that term refers to.<br>
<br>
Whereas the Internet has crossed boundaries, countries still operate<br>
within their borders and laws govern within those borders. The push for<br>
internationalization or globalization has been going on for a while but<br>
that is a subject for another day.<br>
<br>
But while each country may not need to build their own email systems ( and<br>
they should) there is a need for countries to develop their own online<br>
applications and security systems instead of depending on those from other<br>
countries for obvious reasons highlighted very well in recent news media.<br>
One would be foolish to continue relying on popular western online<br>
services for example, for a government's Mission Critical communications<br>
and would only blame themselves for consequences of such strategies.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Sammy Buruchara<br>
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On 10/31/13 11:10 AM, "Walubengo J" <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
>@Phares,<br>
><br>
>this line of thinking was has been explored recently at the IGF and I had<br>
>a different angle to it and I quote:<br>
><br>
>>><br>
>Whereas having each economy build its own email, social media and other<br>
>web-based systems may provide national pride and a debatable sense of<br>
>national security, it unfortunately goes towards balkanising the Internet<br>
>along existing national geographic boundaries.<br>
><br>
>The final effect will be a diminished value for online services. Search<br>
>engines will end up with only a localised or national view of data, as<br>
>opposed to the more international view currently enjoyed by keeping the<br>
>Internet open and global.<br>
>>>><br>
><br>
>more<br>
>@<br>
><a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/Lessons-from-the-Global-Internet-G" target="_blank">http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/Lessons-from-the-Global-Internet-G</a><br>
>overnance-Forum/-/1959700/2051402/-/ouee6l/-/index.html<br>
><br>
>walu.<br>
><br>
>--------------------------------------------<br>
>On Thu, 10/31/13, Phares Kariuki <<a href="mailto:pkariuki@gmail.com">pkariuki@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] NSA Tapping into Google & Yahoo Networks? How is<br>
>Kenya protected?<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a><br>
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>><br>
> Date: Thursday, October 31, 2013, 10:09 AM<br>
><br>
> I¹ll very selfishly<br>
> advocate for an increased uptake of local cloud services,<br>
> away from the NSA¹s prying eyes, with locally established<br>
</div></div>> standards of encryption etcŠ<br>
<div class="im">> We¹ve got capable<br>
> universities that can assist in coming up with new<br>
> encryption etc standards for the military &<br>
> government.<br>
> Interesting article by<br>
> Charles<br>
</div>> ObboŠ.<br>
><a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Spy-more-on-your-friends-than-foes/-/" target="_blank">http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Spy-more-on-your-friends-than-foes/-/</a><br>
<div><div class="h5">>440808/2053660/-/j8oy4g/-/index.html<br>
> --<br>
> Phares Kariuki<br>
> From: Ngigi<br>
> Waithaka Ngigi Waithaka<br>
> Reply: Ngigi Waithaka<br>
> <a href="mailto:ngigi@at.co.ke">ngigi@at.co.ke</a><br>
> Date: October 31, 2013 at<br>
> 9:12:10 AM<br>
> To: Phares Kariuki <a href="mailto:pkariuki@gmail.com">pkariuki@gmail.com</a><br>
> Subject: [kictanet] NSA<br>
> Tapping into Google & Yahoo Networks? How is Kenya<br>
> protected?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Listers,<br>
><br>
><br>
> Just came across this<br>
><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-infiltrates-link" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-infiltrates-link</a><br>
>s-to-yahoo-google-data-centers-worldwide-snowden-documents-say/2013/10/30/<br>
>e51d661e-4166-11e3-8b74-d89d714ca4dd_story.html?hpid=z1<br>
><br>
><br>
> It looks like Google might have been caught by the NSA<br>
> with<br>
> their pants down since hacking into their Data Transport<br>
> layer<br>
> simply gives up all the secrets that encryption is supposed<br>
> to be<br>
> protecting.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Now, moving on swiftly to the local setup, I am also<br>
> concerned<br>
> that even as we look to start pushing for National Standards<br>
> of<br>
> Encryption through the PKI project, whether we as a country<br>
> have<br>
> come together to review and see how to protect our countries<br>
> intelligence and data.<br>
><br>
><br>
> We also know for a fact that the US was busy tapping<br>
> into<br>
> World Leaders phones, and I can bet if there are a few<br>
> presidents<br>
> to be 'tapped' in Africa, ours should be way up on<br>
> that<br>
> ladder!<br>
><br>
><br>
> However, more worrying would be, how protected are our<br>
> internal networks from such tapping, even from locals? Could<br>
> there<br>
> be a guy who has tapped into Safaricoms internal network and<br>
> is<br>
> busy reading every email, chat that is flying through and<br>
> perhaps<br>
> selling such information to our erstwhile enemies the<br>
> Al-Shabbab?<br>
><br>
><br>
> I was once very surprised when a personal friend got a<br>
> transcript of all his calls, and chat messages,<br>
> word-for-word for<br>
> the previous past 6 months, dug up from one of the local<br>
> Telcos.<br>
> The ease with which such information was availed appalled me<br>
> as it<br>
> clearly means that the Telcos clearly store all our chats,<br>
> and such<br>
> records in clear text months after we have used them and a<br>
> guy with<br>
> basic SQL knowledge just needs to hack into the network<br>
> (easy) and<br>
> call them up.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> So, as we continue with the PKI project, there are<br>
> really very<br>
> basic things on security of data that we as a nation<br>
> haven't even<br>
> dealt with.<br>
> --<br>
><br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
><br>
> Waithaka<br>
> Ngigi<br>
><br>
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