<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Listers</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">There is a case for a hybrid approach to Internet Security and Governance. No one wants Balkanisation of the Internet but no one also wants one country controlling most of the levers that run the Internet running roughshod over everyone else!!</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Here is a telling interview from the NSA Director on the latest #SnowdenAffair </div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/video/snowden-leaks-increase-threat-of-attack-alexander-2ziZl_FnRyi_m~Ggb6~Prw.html">http://www.bloomberg.com/video/snowden-leaks-increase-threat-of-attack-alexander-2ziZl_FnRyi_m~Ggb6~Prw.html</a></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Judge for yourself...and as you do that think about all the emails that run on google apps and yahoo and Microsoft platforms including most of the senior guys in county government and possibly national government..</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">I shudder to think that we have institutions like the NIS and ICTA and CCK and this practice is still going on in Government.lets not even start with Private Companies..</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Sitting Ducks is what we are..<br></span><br><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);">Ali Hussein</span></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.294118); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373);">+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113</div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">"Kujikwaa si kuanguka, bali ni kwenda mbele" (To stumble is not to fall but a sign of going forward) - Swahili Proverb</span></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Sent from my iPad</span></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br>On Oct 31, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Sammy Buruchara <<a href="mailto:buruchara@me.com">buruchara@me.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><div><span>Mr. Walubengo,</span><br><span></span><br><span>While not present at the IGF, and without a lot hesitation, I respectfully</span><br><span>disagree with the view you have shared, that was taken at IGF in relation</span><br><span>to securing countries.</span><br><span></span><br><span>While there is a need for international cooperation, National Security at</span><br><span>the end of the day is a matter for individual countries with various</span><br><span>priorities in regard to their security.</span><br><span>This also has an impact in terms of relationships between countries.</span><br><span>Therefore it would be ill-advised to through security concerns to</span><br><span>"International" where we know exactly what that term refers to.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Whereas the Internet has crossed boundaries, countries still operate</span><br><span>within their borders and laws govern within those borders. The push for</span><br><span>internationalization or globalization has been going on for a while but</span><br><span>that is a subject for another day.</span><br><span></span><br><span>But while each country may not need to build their own email systems ( and</span><br><span>they should) there is a need for countries to develop their own online</span><br><span>applications and security systems instead of depending on those from other</span><br><span>countries for obvious reasons highlighted very well in recent news media.</span><br><span>One would be foolish to continue relying on popular western online</span><br><span>services for example, for a government's Mission Critical communications</span><br><span>and would only blame themselves for consequences of such strategies.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Regards</span><br><span>Sammy Buruchara</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>On 10/31/13 11:10 AM, "Walubengo J" <<a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>@Phares,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>this line of thinking was has been explored recently at the IGF and I had</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>a different angle to it and I quote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Whereas having each economy build its own email, social media and other</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>web-based systems may provide national pride and a debatable sense of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>national security, it unfortunately goes towards balkanising the Internet</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>along existing national geographic boundaries.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The final effect will be a diminished value for online services. Search</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>engines will end up with only a localised or national view of data, as</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>opposed to the more international view currently enjoyed by keeping the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Internet open and global.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>more </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>@ </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/Lessons-from-the-Global-Internet-G">http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/Lessons-from-the-Global-Internet-G</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>overnance-Forum/-/1959700/2051402/-/ouee6l/-/index.html</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>walu.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>--------------------------------------------</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Thu, 10/31/13, Phares Kariuki <<a href="mailto:pkariuki@gmail.com">pkariuki@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [kictanet] NSA Tapping into Google & Yahoo Networks? How is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Kenya protected?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: <a href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <<a href="mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke">kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Thursday, October 31, 2013, 10:09 AM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I¹ll very selfishly</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>advocate for an increased uptake of local cloud services,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>away from the NSA¹s prying eyes, with locally established</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>standards of encryption etcŠ</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>We¹ve got capable</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>universities that can assist in coming up with new</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>encryption etc standards for the military &</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>government. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Interesting article by</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Charles</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>ObboŠ. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Spy-more-on-your-friends-than-foes/-/">http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Spy-more-on-your-friends-than-foes/-/</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>440808/2053660/-/j8oy4g/-/index.html</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> -- </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Phares Kariuki</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> From: Ngigi</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Waithaka Ngigi Waithaka</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Reply: Ngigi Waithaka</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:ngigi@at.co.ke">ngigi@at.co.ke</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: October 31, 2013 at</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>9:12:10 AM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Phares Kariuki <a href="mailto:pkariuki@gmail.com">pkariuki@gmail.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: [kictanet] NSA</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Tapping into Google & Yahoo Networks? How is Kenya</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>protected? </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Listers,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Just came across this</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-infiltrates-link">http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-infiltrates-link</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>s-to-yahoo-google-data-centers-worldwide-snowden-documents-say/2013/10/30/</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>e51d661e-4166-11e3-8b74-d89d714ca4dd_story.html?hpid=z1</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>It looks like Google might have been caught by the NSA</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>with</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>their pants down since hacking into their Data Transport</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>layer</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>simply gives up all the secrets that encryption is supposed</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to be</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>protecting.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Now, moving on swiftly to the local setup, I am also</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>concerned</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>that even as we look to start pushing for National Standards</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Encryption through the PKI project, whether we as a country</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>have</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>come together to review and see how to protect our countries</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>intelligence and data.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>We also know for a fact that the US was busy tapping</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>into</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>World Leaders phones, and I can bet if there are a few</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>presidents</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to be 'tapped' in Africa, ours should be way up on</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>that</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>ladder!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>However, more worrying would be, how protected are our</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>internal networks from such tapping, even from locals? Could</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>there</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>be a guy who has tapped into Safaricoms internal network and</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>busy reading every email, chat that is flying through and</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>perhaps</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>selling such information to our erstwhile enemies the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Al-Shabbab?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I was once very surprised when a personal friend got a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>transcript of all his calls, and chat messages,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>word-for-word for</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>the previous past 6 months, dug up from one of the local</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Telcos.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>The ease with which such information was availed appalled me</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>as it</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>clearly means that the Telcos clearly store all our chats,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>and such</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>records in clear text months after we have used them and a</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>guy with</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>basic SQL knowledge just needs to hack into the network</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>(easy) and</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>call them up.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>So, as we continue with the PKI project, there are</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>really very</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>basic things on security of data that we as a nation</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>haven't even</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>dealt with.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>--</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Regards,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Waithaka</span><br></blockquote><blockquote 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