<div dir="ltr">I agree with YAWE,MBA comes in quite handy for techies.Certifications are relevant when you intend to specialise in a specific field like CCNA for networking,CISA for information security.I have friends who have gone for an MBA and MSC IT,which personally i believe can provide a competitive edge.It is said that you should never stop learning so at some point one can go for the certifications but would advice you to go for Masters.<br>
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1. Re: Kenyan Govt stake in TKL (Tony Likhanga)<br>
2. Re: Kenyan Govt stake in TKL (Tony Likhanga)<br>
3. Re: [Skunkworks] Masters Degree Program: Is It Worth It?<br>
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4. Re: [Skunkworks] Masters Degree Program: Is It Worth It?<br>
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:34:44 +0300<br>
From: Tony Likhanga <<a href="mailto:tlikhanga@gmail.com">tlikhanga@gmail.com</a>><br>
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@David,<br>
<br>
There's a past BD article that mentioned the drop from 49% to 39%.<br>
Apparently it's in the finer details of some MoU.<br>
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<a href="http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/MPs+say+Kenya+lost+Sh30+billion+in+Telkom+deal+/-/539546/1970470/-/item/0/-/cfsw31/-/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/MPs+say+Kenya+lost+Sh30+billion+in+Telkom+deal+/-/539546/1970470/-/item/0/-/cfsw31/-/index.html</a><br>
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:46:49 +0300<br>
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Addendum : The BD article has some links to related news. One of them<br>
seems to answer your<br>
query.<<a href="http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/France+Telecom+closes+door+on+Treasury/-/539550/1916088/-/jwy5ao/-/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate+News/France+Telecom+closes+door+on+Treasury/-/539550/1916088/-/jwy5ao/-/index.html</a>><br>
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"The government?s stake in Telkom Kenya stood at 49 per cent in November,<br>
but dropped to 40 per cent in December following a Sh34 billion balance<br>
sheet restructuring plan.<br>
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This further dropped to 30 per cent in June after the Treasury failed to<br>
raise Sh2.4 billion for the cash call."<br>
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 15:50:02 +0300<br>
From: Andrea Bohnstedt <<a href="mailto:andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com">andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com</a>><br>
To: Kivuva <<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] Masters Degree Program: Is It<br>
Worth It?<br>
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I enjoyed doing my Masters: it was a great break to hear myself think again<br>
after working like a donkey for a year and a half after my first degree. I<br>
learned a lot - having to do class presentations, discussions and essays<br>
really helped me shape my thinking. I also did it in a city I love a lot,<br>
and met a bunch of great people.<br>
<br>
But I am not an IT professional, so you may look at different priorities. I<br>
think you'd need to ask yourself if you're after strictly technical<br>
qualifications - then a certification may be more useful.<br>
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On 15 October 2013 14:58, Kivuva <<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> In my opinion, people pursue Masters for the paper value and the bragging<br>
> rights. If you really needed knowledge, its cheaper both on time and<br>
> finances to pursue it on your own, and you gain more Knowledge through self<br>
> sturdy and research than through classwork.<br>
><br>
> ______________________<br>
> Mwendwa Kivuva<br>
> <a href="http://twitter.com/lordmwesh" target="_blank">twitter.com/lordmwesh</a><br>
> google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 15 October 2013 14:26, Leonard Kore <<a href="mailto:leonardkore@gmail.com">leonardkore@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I can honestly say it *enhanced your knowledge and passion in the field.*<br>
>> *<br>
>> *<br>
>> Then again it depends on which Masters you are doing.<br>
>><br>
>> The new kind of Masters programs are actually very technical and provide<br>
>> students with actual skills.<br>
>><br>
>> Example:<br>
>> <a href="http://www.ilabafrica.ac.ke/index.php/what-we-do/programs/safaricom-academy" target="_blank">http://www.ilabafrica.ac.ke/index.php/what-we-do/programs/safaricom-academy</a><br>
>><br>
>> Anyway my humble 2 cents.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Adam Nelson <<a href="mailto:adam@varud.com">adam@varud.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Michael,<br>
>>><br>
>>> A Masters is potentially a program that can teach you a broad set of<br>
>>> skills including how to think critically, how to communicate effectively,<br>
>>> how to teach yourself, and how to work with others.<br>
>>><br>
>>> A certificate is going to teach you how to do a specific set of tasks in<br>
>>> a certain domain (i.e. Window Server management).<br>
>>><br>
>>> The thing with certificates is that they last for no more than 10 years<br>
>>> and typically only 5. In addition, some people view certificates as an<br>
>>> anti-credential and count them against the candidate with the theory that<br>
>>> certificates aren't demonstrative of true comprehension of the subject<br>
>>> matter.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I would choose the Masters since it's a credential that lasts a lifetime<br>
>>> but of course it's also far more expensive that just a series of certs.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Cheers,<br>
>>> Adam<br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: <a href="http://kili.io" target="_blank">kili.io</a><br>
>>> Musings: <a href="http://twitter.com/varud" target="_blank">twitter.com/varud</a> <<a href="https://twitter.com/varud" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/varud</a>><br>
>>> About Adam: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson" target="_blank">www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Michael Bullut <<a href="mailto:main@kipsang.com">main@kipsang.com</a>>wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Greetings Listers,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I've been wrestling with a quagmire for sometimes now about pursuing a<br>
>>>> Masters Degree Program. As an Information Technology professional, would it<br>
>>>> more pertinent to seek vendor certifications as they instruct on what<br>
>>>> technologies the industry is using? In my humble observation, professionals<br>
>>>> of all fields pursue a Masters either because it is fashionable or they<br>
>>>> have no other choice but to do so. My question to my brethren: *What<br>
>>>> would your advice be in such a situation?* *Did you pursue a Masters<br>
>>>> because it was a means to an end or it enhanced your knowledge and passion<br>
>>>> in the field? *<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> *Help a wandering young man out?*<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Warm regards,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Michael Bullut.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ---<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> *Cell:* *+254 723 393 114.<br>
>>>> **Skype Name:* *Michael Bullut.*<br>
>>>> ***Twitter:** @Kipsang <<a href="http://twitter.com/Kipsang/" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/Kipsang/</a>><br>
>>>> *<br>
>>>> *Blog: <a href="http://www.kipsang.com/*" target="_blank">http://www.kipsang.com/*</a><br>
>>>> *E-mail:* *<a href="mailto:main@kipsang.com">main@kipsang.com</a>*<br>
>>>> *<br>
>>>> *<br>
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>>>><br>
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 13:57:26 +0100 (BST)<br>
From: robert yawe <<a href="mailto:robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk">robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
To: Kivuva <<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] [Skunkworks] Masters Degree Program: Is It<br>
Worth It?<br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
My advise is that you pursue an MBA so that you can get a better appreciation of how a business functions which will allow you to better leverage ICT to meet the organisations strategic objectives.<br>
<br>
This advise only applies if you are in industry but if you are in academia then follow the usual path.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
?<br>
<br>
Robert Yawe<br>
KAY System Technologies Ltd<br>
Phoenix House, 6th Floor<br>
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200<br>
Kenya<br>
<br>
<br>
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tuesday, 15 October 2013, 14:59, Kivuva <<a href="mailto:Kivuva@transworldafrica.com">Kivuva@transworldafrica.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
In my opinion, people pursue Masters for the paper value and the bragging rights. If you really needed knowledge, its cheaper both on time and finances to pursue it on your own, and you gain more Knowledge through self sturdy and research than through classwork.<br>
<br>
<br>
______________________<br>
Mwendwa Kivuva<br>
<a href="http://twitter.com/lordmwesh" target="_blank">twitter.com/lordmwesh</a><br>
<br>
google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh<br>
<br>
<br>
On 15 October 2013 14:26, Leonard Kore <<a href="mailto:leonardkore@gmail.com">leonardkore@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
I can honestly say it?enhanced your knowledge and passion in the field.<br>
><br>
><br>
>Then again it depends on which Masters you are doing.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>The new kind of Masters programs are actually very technical and provide students with actual skills.<br>
><br>
><br>
>Example:?<a href="http://www.ilabafrica.ac.ke/index.php/what-we-do/programs/safaricom-academy" target="_blank">http://www.ilabafrica.ac.ke/index.php/what-we-do/programs/safaricom-academy</a><br>
><br>
><br>
>Anyway my humble 2 cents.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Adam Nelson <<a href="mailto:adam@varud.com">adam@varud.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>Michael,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>A Masters is potentially a program that can teach you a broad set of skills including how to think critically, how to communicate effectively, how to teach yourself, and how to work with others.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>A certificate is going to teach you how to do a specific set of tasks in a certain domain (i.e. Window Server management).<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>The thing with certificates is that they last for no more than 10 years and typically only 5. ?In addition, some people view certificates as an anti-credential and count them against the candidate with the theory that certificates aren't demonstrative of true comprehension of the subject matter.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>I would choose the Masters since it's a credential that lasts a lifetime but of course it's also far more expensive that just a series of certs.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>Cheers,<br>
>>Adam<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>--<br>
>>Kili.io - OpenStack for Africa: <a href="http://kili.io" target="_blank">kili.io</a><br>
>>Musings:?<a href="http://twitter.com/varud" target="_blank">twitter.com/varud</a><br>
>>About Adam:?<a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson" target="_blank">www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Michael Bullut <<a href="mailto:main@kipsang.com">main@kipsang.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>Greetings Listers,<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>I've been wrestling with a quagmire for sometimes now about pursuing a Masters Degree Program. As an Information Technology professional, would it more pertinent to seek vendor certifications as they instruct on what technologies the industry is using? In my humble observation, professionals of all fields pursue a Masters either because it is fashionable or they have no other choice but to do so. My question to my brethren: What would your advice be in such a situation? Did you pursue a Masters because it was a means to an end or it enhanced your knowledge and passion in the field?<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>Help a wandering young man out?<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>Warm regards,?<br>
>>><br>
>>>Michael Bullut.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>---<br>
>>><br>
>>>Cell:?+254 723 393 114.<br>
>>>Skype Name: Michael Bullut.<br>
>>><br>
>>>Twitter:@Kipsang<br>
>>><br>
>>>Blog:?<a href="http://www.kipsang.com/" target="_blank">http://www.kipsang.com/</a><br>
>>>E-mail: <a href="mailto:main@kipsang.com">main@kipsang.com</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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